Hey all i have been bouncing around the forums, trying to figure out how i am going to spend the cash i am about to make on a year long over seas permanent change of station i just volunteered for. I thought about turbos, and type 4, but i wanted some simplicity and i figured i would go with what i know the most about. I have only rebuilt one aircooled, but plenty of water cooled. I would like to do this myself, and my end goal is a reliable daily driver that is capable of getting me to college and back while i use my g.i. bill and ripping a face or two off in the process.
I have a budget of about 5500 for the long block, although i could probably stretch to 7 if i had to. It will be getting dropped in my '67 type one. I already have disc brakes, and i will be buying a rancho pro street trans. I don't plan on huge clutch dumps, just want to be able to dry the tires off and smoke all the rice at the track every once in a blue moon.
I like the idea of the Cb performance builders choice kit as it will take out ALOT of guessing for a noob like me, but at the same time i can't help but wonder if maybe there will be anything left on the table? But then again i am not sure if i could piece together a long block with everything that the kit comes with for the same price.
http://www.cbperformance.com/ProductDet ... tCode=1186 - 2332 kit
http://www.cbperformance.com/ProductDet ... tCode=1185 - 2276 kit
And i understand hot motors need lots of maintenance and care. I have a back up daily driver incase this one for some reason shat the bed. I just don't use it often because 12 mpg really hurts the wallet
Thanks for taking the time to read and always answering my ignorant questions. If you have any other suggestions I am open to them. I would like to be capable of 13's in the end if that helps! ( i know gearing helps too )
tyler
building a 2276 or 2332, would like some help!
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Re: building a 2276 or 2332, would like some help!
Hi Tyler,
Glad to see you are planning a nice stroker for your daily. It can be done but will require everything to be setup correctly and tuned appropriately. But it sounds like you are already on your way!
Those CB kits are decent, and cb has a good reputation. However, there is still quite a bit to take into account when it comes to assembling your own motor. Do you have some decent measuring tools such as bore gauges, a micrometer and a dial indicator? You will most likely also need special tools such as an engine stand, flywheel lock, ring compressor, accurate torque wrench, air compressor and so on. If you already have much if this, great. If not, be ready to spend atleast another $400 to get started. Nothing wrong with that though! Building your own hi po engine and watching it come to life is a great experience if you haven't done so already!
Do you have any friends that are seasoned aircooled vw engine builders? I know this may be hard to find, but if not, atleast begin posting a photo journal of your build and asking questions on here. This place has a vast amount of knowledge to give and it WILL save you thousands in broken engine parts if you listen and learn from many here. Of course you are already doing that, so your are already on top of it! The primary best thing would be to hookup with a do it yourself vw guru who would be willing to help walk you through the build. It's not rocket science but there are things new hi performance acvw engine builders just don't know that the experienced do.
Do you have plans to purchase (or do you already have) any tuning tools such as a wideband 02 sensor and a carb sync? These are both invaluable tools for getting the motor to run and stay together, especially the wideband 02 sensor. A good tune is key to drive ability, longevity and staying cool.
Okay, onto the build. Either the 2276 Or 2332 will be excellent motors. However, the 2332 kit seems a bit high on the compression for pump gas (10.5:1) in my opinion. Others may be able to chime in here and tell you more. I've only gotten away with up to 9.4:1 on pump (91 octane). The kit has some quality parts but it's probably a little on the high strung side for a daily. The 2276, although a little more tame, would make a killer daily setup- lots of power and good driveable bottom end torque. Had a friend with a very similar 2276 (berg heads, fk-8, 1 5/8" exhaust) that drove his car to work and then school everyday. No other car. Ran great but he spent a fair amount of time getting it into an excellent tune. After that it was just routine oil changes, valve adjustments and carb tunes. Of course he was running weber IDAs which can be finicky sometimes depending on the weather.
You could piece together a 2332 and use CB high roof case (no clearancing necessary), a DPR or CB crank, fk8 cam or similar with CBs heads. I personally like to try and hand pick all my motor parts. But I am particular and I don't mind spending a long time measuring, remeausirng and assembling and reassembling things. In fact, it's very rewarding to make sure everything is just about "perfect".
A 2276 or 2332 with good heads and decent cam should easily get you into the low 13s on no problem. Also depends on your gears as well. My last motor was a 1915, fk 8 cam with 42x37.5 steve tims heads that ran mid 13s on radials no problem. It had a closer 1st, 2nd and 3rd, stock 4 th gear though. Also will have to get your traction down too. Do you have a traction bar or kafer brace you are planning to run?
One last thought, and this is mainly my opinion, while it is a learning curve, you may consider running a little less compression and a smaller cam and prep the motor for turbo efi. It's seems that many who get Hooked on decent acvw performance engines eventually want more power. If you think you may be this way, consider a more "tame" longblock. This would entail less compression, perhaps around 8:1 and smaller heads, and a more tame cam (something around 290 dur, [email protected], around .500" lift). This longblock would be fine to get going as a NA motor than, a year later, put together an efi and turbo kit on it. Of course that's when things get even more complicated .
But i digress. You should have a blast building either size motor, as long as it's not too strung out, and keep us all in the loop with your build!! PS:
Glad to see you are planning a nice stroker for your daily. It can be done but will require everything to be setup correctly and tuned appropriately. But it sounds like you are already on your way!
Those CB kits are decent, and cb has a good reputation. However, there is still quite a bit to take into account when it comes to assembling your own motor. Do you have some decent measuring tools such as bore gauges, a micrometer and a dial indicator? You will most likely also need special tools such as an engine stand, flywheel lock, ring compressor, accurate torque wrench, air compressor and so on. If you already have much if this, great. If not, be ready to spend atleast another $400 to get started. Nothing wrong with that though! Building your own hi po engine and watching it come to life is a great experience if you haven't done so already!
Do you have any friends that are seasoned aircooled vw engine builders? I know this may be hard to find, but if not, atleast begin posting a photo journal of your build and asking questions on here. This place has a vast amount of knowledge to give and it WILL save you thousands in broken engine parts if you listen and learn from many here. Of course you are already doing that, so your are already on top of it! The primary best thing would be to hookup with a do it yourself vw guru who would be willing to help walk you through the build. It's not rocket science but there are things new hi performance acvw engine builders just don't know that the experienced do.
Do you have plans to purchase (or do you already have) any tuning tools such as a wideband 02 sensor and a carb sync? These are both invaluable tools for getting the motor to run and stay together, especially the wideband 02 sensor. A good tune is key to drive ability, longevity and staying cool.
Okay, onto the build. Either the 2276 Or 2332 will be excellent motors. However, the 2332 kit seems a bit high on the compression for pump gas (10.5:1) in my opinion. Others may be able to chime in here and tell you more. I've only gotten away with up to 9.4:1 on pump (91 octane). The kit has some quality parts but it's probably a little on the high strung side for a daily. The 2276, although a little more tame, would make a killer daily setup- lots of power and good driveable bottom end torque. Had a friend with a very similar 2276 (berg heads, fk-8, 1 5/8" exhaust) that drove his car to work and then school everyday. No other car. Ran great but he spent a fair amount of time getting it into an excellent tune. After that it was just routine oil changes, valve adjustments and carb tunes. Of course he was running weber IDAs which can be finicky sometimes depending on the weather.
You could piece together a 2332 and use CB high roof case (no clearancing necessary), a DPR or CB crank, fk8 cam or similar with CBs heads. I personally like to try and hand pick all my motor parts. But I am particular and I don't mind spending a long time measuring, remeausirng and assembling and reassembling things. In fact, it's very rewarding to make sure everything is just about "perfect".
A 2276 or 2332 with good heads and decent cam should easily get you into the low 13s on no problem. Also depends on your gears as well. My last motor was a 1915, fk 8 cam with 42x37.5 steve tims heads that ran mid 13s on radials no problem. It had a closer 1st, 2nd and 3rd, stock 4 th gear though. Also will have to get your traction down too. Do you have a traction bar or kafer brace you are planning to run?
One last thought, and this is mainly my opinion, while it is a learning curve, you may consider running a little less compression and a smaller cam and prep the motor for turbo efi. It's seems that many who get Hooked on decent acvw performance engines eventually want more power. If you think you may be this way, consider a more "tame" longblock. This would entail less compression, perhaps around 8:1 and smaller heads, and a more tame cam (something around 290 dur, [email protected], around .500" lift). This longblock would be fine to get going as a NA motor than, a year later, put together an efi and turbo kit on it. Of course that's when things get even more complicated .
But i digress. You should have a blast building either size motor, as long as it's not too strung out, and keep us all in the loop with your build!! PS:
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Re: building a 2276 or 2332, would like some help!
2275. I have two them (baja bug, and street/strip 65). There are lots of reasons why.
Steve
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