Rusty's Return to Life... A build page.

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Re: Rusty's Return to Life... A build page.

Post by TimS » Sun May 07, 2017 3:24 pm

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Post by Leatherneck » Sun May 07, 2017 5:03 pm

Good job guys,Richard way to keep them on their toes in trouble shooting engine problems.

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Post by JUSSUMGUY » Sun May 07, 2017 7:20 pm

My strong point is def. not engines, especially modern day computer controlled engines. Fabrication is more my strong suit.
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Post by Leatherneck » Sun May 07, 2017 8:13 pm

Wish I lived closer, could use some of your Fab skills. Getting a group together to ride or figure a problem out is always fun.

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Post by TimS » Sun May 07, 2017 10:13 pm

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Reinforced the bottom. This is double layer 1/4" steel at the seams.

I have 1/8" square steel on my bug and it is well rounded.

Rest of it will be aluminum.
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Re: Rusty's Return to Life... A build page.

Post by TimS » Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:53 pm

I stole an engine and transmission for Rusty. Plus many other good parts. Otherwise just been working and having fun.

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Anyone wanna trade a set of Solex 40/44's with intakes for a zenith carb?
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Post by no1clyde » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:36 pm

Looks like a good score :D

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Post by Volksmeister » Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:16 am

Damn, that under carriage truss is way cool! Excellent idea and great work!
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Post by TimS » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:04 am

Thanks.

I made a shitton of progress on the cage and tacked things in. I am super stoked with how it looks and fits.
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Unfortunately, I overlooked an important item. When we first built this cage, the direction of this car was recreational. I had decided on crew tubing because it was available and affordable.

Since that time, we had morphed into the racing discussion and now a lot of planning and parts gathering has gone in that direction. I had totally forgotten about the tubing decision way back when and didn't account for tubing in the change of plans.

Disappointed in myself for sure. I honestly don't know if I can accomplish another bending feat as good as this one, but I must try to duplicate this cage in DOM. I don't see any other solution that could be considered a success all things considered.

One failure senario would be to make this a recreational car, but I would actually redesign the cage some for that anyway.

Another failure senario is that BOR let's me race it with crew tubing. I'm almost positive that the final construction would satisfy BOR's new Technical inspection guru, and it could be argued that this is a sportsman car at best and might only see a few races anyway so that a few races could be deemed successful. This is more acceptable to me, but...

I have a hand bender (jd2) and some of my concern comes from how easy the crew was to bend compared to DOM.

I've learned a lot over this last year and a half about tubing (Thanks to Ed and Richard for letting me learn). Now I have the bender and the notcher. Some of the previous results were skill and some pure luck.

I am pricing out DOM tubing today.

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Post by CentralWAbaja » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:37 am

Look at DOM for your main structure and reuse some of your pieces of CREW for lacing? Just a thought.
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Post by no1clyde » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:14 am

Tim if you want, take the main tubes out and bring them and some DOM down here and we can bend up a set in the DOM using the CREW tube as a pattern. With my bender you can't tell the difference between .095 and .120 or CREW or DOM. We should be able to make them in a few hours or less so it would be you trip time that you would loose.

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Re: Rusty's Return to Life... A build page.

Post by JUSSUMGUY » Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:31 pm

With my pro tools bender bending 1 1/2 x.120 wall dom is no problem but it is noticeably tougher than bending the same in crew.
One of the handiest bending tools i have is a Mittler Bros bend protractor. Takes all the guess work and math out of the equation when figuring center of bend and how much tubing a bend will use.
Duplicating the bends wont be difficult with a little practice. Use some extra crew to do test bends. If you are using a 5 inch cl die i can tell you where center of any bend will be and how much tube you will use.

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Post by dustymojave » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:01 pm

If I were wearing Bill Savage's shoes in about 2005-6 CREW would still be entirely acceptable for roll cages for SCORE racers. Banning it is pure snobbishness, not based on any engineering consideration or experience. NASCAR makes FAR more sense banning 4130 for cages. Now Art Savedra has passed away, who knows who will be the new Tech Chief for SCORE. But I seriously doubt that the ban of CREW will be lifted or 4130 banned by the new Tech Chief.
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