TO grease or not TO grease.

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So I am doing the bearings on the spindles and came across a ole timer saying to fill the interior with grease as it acts like a reservoir. Myself I think it is kind of a waste but I was wrong once. What say you?
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I can't see how it can do much more than prevent rust. Water will suck in on warm bearings and quick cooling at a water crossing.
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If nothing else, packing it full should keep the grease from bleeding out of the bearings when they warm up.
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I just give it a light coat on the inner bits, otherwise its just more mess to clean out next time, esp if you get water in there.
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He said that the full area will create a vacuum which will pull in grease. I did a test, one packed one with just enough on bearings but not in the reservoir. The bad bearing I pulled out had plenty of grease and it wasn't broke down, just a bad bearing.
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To state the obvious: clean the bearing and the race thoroughly inspecting for any dull spots or signs of wear (do not use compressed air to spin the bearings during the cleaning...very dangerous as type bearing can ccomes part and flying objects can do damage) Then put the bearing on two fingers and insert it (dry) into the race then rotate it (gently) feeling for any bumps or not smooth spots. Also look and feel for loose spots on the roller bearings.

If in doubt replace the bearing, race and always the grease seal.

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Good advice Lee, these bearing don't have insert able races. I'll check out the bearings for sure, I know it has a rough spot just don't know why.
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I fill the entire cavity.
No particular reasoning, just personal preference.
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helowrench wrote:I fill the entire cavity.
No particular reasoning, just personal preference.
Also the factory recommendation - I've always done the same. Even if there's no tangible advantage, what can it hurt? I figure at the least there'll be a reserve of grease ready to melt and flow into an overheated bearing, which could make the difference in finishing/getting home.
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On roller bearings I was told and shown not to do the full back area pack but to maintain the bearings more often. That grease can pack hard and potentually make things worse. My post was for tapered bearings.
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The factory procedures for both front (with tapered-roller bearings) and IRS rear (with one ball and one roller bearing per side) specify packing the cavity with approximately 2 ounces of grease. Lithium grease will "cake-up" if service is neglected for a long, long time - but no harm is done by it doing so, and if a bearing should overheat that'll re-liquify the grease allowing it to flow, so there's really no downside to having grease in the cavity IMO.
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Sorry Marc but have witnessed just the opposite. Some of the (granted probably older) greases would mat with age and some matted when fresh especially with heat. Packed areas can hold moisture/condensation and its can get into areas not intended to have moisture (I have thrown away rusted/scored roller bearings before) Hopefully all the greases have impoved over the years but based on some of the stuff I have seen lately I am not sure that all have.

Besides, I hate cleaning that mess out!
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I used Disk brake bearing grease, as I did last time. I haven't seen any newer grease cake up like some of the older greases I have seen. One good thing about the housing, even packed there isn't a whole lot of room.
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Refresh our memories as to which front hubs you're using. Are they VW T1 drums?
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