Smallest single turbo on a type 1 1600?
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Re: Smallest single turbo on a type 1 1600?
I would like to see some more pics of turbo headers.
Fastback, Have you made any progress?
I am still trying to decide what turbo to run.
I have a K03, a couple 14b's, a couple Garret's from Chrysler 2.2's and a diesel turbo that is slightly smaller than the K03. This is on an injected 1600 that needs low end torque.
Thanks
Woodsbuggy
Fastback, Have you made any progress?
I am still trying to decide what turbo to run.
I have a K03, a couple 14b's, a couple Garret's from Chrysler 2.2's and a diesel turbo that is slightly smaller than the K03. This is on an injected 1600 that needs low end torque.
Thanks
Woodsbuggy
I bought the cheapest one I could find but it still doesn't work!
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Re: Smallest single turbo on a type 1 1600?
not hit the dyno yet. to many other projects at the moment
but i have been driving it a bit lately and i'm still impressed with the performance of it.
and thinks the k-14 is very good match so far.
instant boost and pulls hard .
sounds a bit odd but i'm realy happy with it.
running megasquirt EFI and E-85 fuel.
but i have been driving it a bit lately and i'm still impressed with the performance of it.
and thinks the k-14 is very good match so far.
instant boost and pulls hard .
sounds a bit odd but i'm realy happy with it.
running megasquirt EFI and E-85 fuel.
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Re: Smallest single turbo on a type 1 1600?
Curious why everyone is so stuck on finding a turbo that's going to act like a supercharger when a supercharger would be a more appropriate choice, ESPECIALLY on something like a rail where there is no body to get in the way.
Track down an Eaton M45 and have 8 psi available from idle to redline with no waiting for it to show up, plus less plumbing, no exhaust work, no extra oil lines.
Track down an Eaton M45 and have 8 psi available from idle to redline with no waiting for it to show up, plus less plumbing, no exhaust work, no extra oil lines.
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Re: Smallest single turbo on a type 1 1600?
I am not against blowers at all. I just do not know anything about them, I know that Mini is working on a blower setup, but blowers are much harder to find. How much power does it take to spin the blower? I currently have 6 turbos with a total cost of $45. If I can find some time, I will have a turbo on the street soon. What vehicles came with the M45?
Thanks
Woodsbuggy
Thanks
Woodsbuggy
I bought the cheapest one I could find but it still doesn't work!
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Re: Smallest single turbo on a type 1 1600?
New Mini Coopers come with them, check Ebay you should be able to get a stellar deal.
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Re: Smallest single turbo on a type 1 1600?
I noticed the K03's from 1.8t's have a slightly larger turbine and compressor than the ones off of a 2.7t. the 2.7's have 46 stamped on the exhaust and the 1.8's have 55 stamped. It doesn't get much cheaper, reliable, and easy to build than a 34pict3 blowthrough with a k03.
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Re: Smallest single turbo on a type 1 1600?
Good points HoxviiiHoxviii wrote:Curious why everyone is so stuck on finding a turbo that's going to act like a supercharger when a supercharger would be a more appropriate choice, ESPECIALLY on something like a rail where there is no body to get in the way.
Track down an Eaton M45 and have 8 psi available from idle to redline with no waiting for it to show up, plus less plumbing, no exhaust work, no extra oil lines.
I have owned a supercharged Bonneville & a turbo Mitsubishi.
I have never engineererd or done R&D on either system.
All I know is from reading books.
Any kind of forced induction has incredable benefits for any engine.
both have strengths and weeknesses
From an engineering stand point I understand that
1) a supercharger creates a huge amount of friction.
2) a super creates more charge heating & is diffacult to intercool.
I understand the benefits of turbos are
1) zero additional internal friction
2) simple to cool the pressureised intake air
3) reclaims some of the waisted enegry contained in the exhaust heat
4)zero additional load on the engines cooling system
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Re: Smallest single turbo on a type 1 1600?
Superchargers also create rotational resistance too- cant forget about that pulley.rostigbug wrote:Good points HoxviiiHoxviii wrote:Curious why everyone is so stuck on finding a turbo that's going to act like a supercharger when a supercharger would be a more appropriate choice, ESPECIALLY on something like a rail where there is no body to get in the way.
Track down an Eaton M45 and have 8 psi available from idle to redline with no waiting for it to show up, plus less plumbing, no exhaust work, no extra oil lines.
I have owned a supercharged Bonneville & a turbo Mitsubishi.
I have never engineererd or done R&D on either system.
All I know is from reading books.
Any kind of forced induction has incredable benefits for any engine.
both have strengths and weeknesses
From an engineering stand point I understand that
1) a supercharger creates a huge amount of friction.
2) a super creates more charge heating & is diffacult to intercool.
I understand the benefits of turbos are
1) zero additional internal friction
2) simple to cool the pressureised intake air
3) reclaims some of the waisted enegry contained in the exhaust heat
4)zero additional load on the engines cooling system
The other beauty of the turbocharger is that they are SIMPLE.
Just make sure that the turbos that you are using have an external gate, internal gates are bad juju.
The stock eclipse turbo (its called a 16G people, the flange might be the same as a T25, but its a 16G- different turbo, different company, ones a Garrett ones a Mitsubishi) would actually be the best for a fast spool, OR if you are really crafty, look for an IHI VF series from a Subaru, and you can send it in to be rebuilt into a 19T which would spool EVEN faster then the 16G.
http://www.blouchturbo.com
You might have to finagle it a bit, Subarus have weird exhaust system, and convert it to external gate, but I have a feeling that would give you the response that you want.
For the record, I wish that people referred to turbos by their ACTUAL name.
TXX is just a flange, be more specific!
I drives me nuts, the turbo system I am looking at- all I know about it is that the turbo included is a T3 thats it!
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Re: Smallest single turbo on a type 1 1600?
A blower setup is MUCH simpler than a turbo setup. All it takes is a bracket to hold the blower and a belt to spin it. The oiling system is self contained and it can be mounted in any orientation.
You use the identical processes to intercool, but a blower also gives you the option of running an aftercooler. It is no more or less difficult than intercooling a turbo.
Blowers do have more parasitic losses, but ultimate horsepower isn't what he's looking for, read the OP.
And turbos DEFINITELY add heat to the equation, more so on the exhaust side. Blowers add more heat on the intake side, but in only wanting 8 psi the additional heat will be minimal even compared to a turbo setup.
Imagine a turbo setup with no oiling or exhaust mods and you have a supercharger setup. Your only limitation is the blower has to line up with the crank pulley, or you have to run a jack shaft to your remote location.
Everything else as far as carb and fuel mods are the same.
You use the identical processes to intercool, but a blower also gives you the option of running an aftercooler. It is no more or less difficult than intercooling a turbo.
Blowers do have more parasitic losses, but ultimate horsepower isn't what he's looking for, read the OP.
And turbos DEFINITELY add heat to the equation, more so on the exhaust side. Blowers add more heat on the intake side, but in only wanting 8 psi the additional heat will be minimal even compared to a turbo setup.
Imagine a turbo setup with no oiling or exhaust mods and you have a supercharger setup. Your only limitation is the blower has to line up with the crank pulley, or you have to run a jack shaft to your remote location.
Everything else as far as carb and fuel mods are the same.
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Re: Smallest single turbo on a type 1 1600?
I don't think you can keep the fan shroud with an eaton 45. And packaging an intercooler will be much more difficult.
Plus on such a small engine, the pulley will rob a lot of HP.
I'd stick with a small turbo.
Plus on such a small engine, the pulley will rob a lot of HP.
I'd stick with a small turbo.
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Re: Smallest single turbo on a type 1 1600?
a k03 is pretty much instaboost. it's fully spooled right at 3.2krpm and just rips to 5,200rpm and then starts to choke. the power is right there when you need it. it's a great trail setup especially for the price. it probaly cost me $600 total. It's got:
Chromoly retainers
HD single springs
solid rocker shafts
chromoly pushrods
Full Flow oil pump, cooler, filter
t-fitting for oil feed
oil feed line
oil return line
dirt bike air cleaner
boost referenced fuel pump
homemade exhaust
K03 from a 2.7T
fuel pump pushrod notched for an o-ring
Muffler
Misc. gaskets and hardware
Colder spark plugs
#01030 points or pertronix
Carb mods:
throttle shafts o-ringed with teflon o-rings
165 main jet
fill in bottom 2 holes in the emulsion tube
cut a large hole in the choke plate
I think that's it. it's pretty simple, take it 1 step at a time starting with the carb and the fuel pump so you can still drive it.
Chromoly retainers
HD single springs
solid rocker shafts
chromoly pushrods
Full Flow oil pump, cooler, filter
t-fitting for oil feed
oil feed line
oil return line
dirt bike air cleaner
boost referenced fuel pump
homemade exhaust
K03 from a 2.7T
fuel pump pushrod notched for an o-ring
Muffler
Misc. gaskets and hardware
Colder spark plugs
#01030 points or pertronix
Carb mods:
throttle shafts o-ringed with teflon o-rings
165 main jet
fill in bottom 2 holes in the emulsion tube
cut a large hole in the choke plate
I think that's it. it's pretty simple, take it 1 step at a time starting with the carb and the fuel pump so you can still drive it.
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Re: Smallest single turbo on a type 1 1600?
The shroud doesn't matter in this case, it's a rail. Mount it over the shroud.
To run an M45 on a 1600 would take about 5hp at 8psi while giving the instant torque at lower speeds. It's for a woods buggy, hp doesn't really matter, it's torque and gears.
Intercooler is simple. Mount the supercharger over the shroud with the outlet facing the sky, run a tube from the outlet to the intercooler, and then down into the carb. Tada!
While the K03 has supercharger like characteristics on a 1600, there are still more mods necessary than in mounting an M45.
If you already have the K03 or similar, go for it and have fun. I'm just saying that if it comes to you having to track stuff down don't discount a small supercharger because of group think.
To run an M45 on a 1600 would take about 5hp at 8psi while giving the instant torque at lower speeds. It's for a woods buggy, hp doesn't really matter, it's torque and gears.
Intercooler is simple. Mount the supercharger over the shroud with the outlet facing the sky, run a tube from the outlet to the intercooler, and then down into the carb. Tada!
While the K03 has supercharger like characteristics on a 1600, there are still more mods necessary than in mounting an M45.
If you already have the K03 or similar, go for it and have fun. I'm just saying that if it comes to you having to track stuff down don't discount a small supercharger because of group think.
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Re: Smallest single turbo on a type 1 1600?
"...A blower setup is MUCH simpler than a turbo setup. All it takes is a bracket to hold the blower and a belt to spin it...."
definitly not. turbocharging is simpler than supercharging. but that is not the case right here.
k03 is a very good turbo for blow through small engines...after searching a turbo for a 1200cc we liked the map and the characteristic of the k03 then i get some good input from "jweir"...thanks again and a friend build the engine.
this is how a k03 works on 3rd gear without wastgate in the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=ioefn8N ... re=recentu
1200cc
stock internals
1300DP heads (35,5mm/32mm)
stock fuel pump modified
34 solex carb modified for blow through
definitly not. turbocharging is simpler than supercharging. but that is not the case right here.
k03 is a very good turbo for blow through small engines...after searching a turbo for a 1200cc we liked the map and the characteristic of the k03 then i get some good input from "jweir"...thanks again and a friend build the engine.
this is how a k03 works on 3rd gear without wastgate in the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=ioefn8N ... re=recentu
1200cc
stock internals
1300DP heads (35,5mm/32mm)
stock fuel pump modified
34 solex carb modified for blow through
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Re: Smallest single turbo on a type 1 1600?
Hi,iam allan from perú . I have a 1200 stock with 30 pic 2 blow through but i have problems for keep it stable . I think you use a modified 34 pic 3, could you said to me what modification did in that carburator please?
[quote="my_medusa"]"...A blower setup is MUCH simpler than a turbo setup. All it takes is a bracket to hold the blower and a belt to spin it...."
definitly not. turbocharging is simpler than supercharging. but that is not the case right here.
k03 is a very good turbo for blow through small engines...after searching a turbo for a 1200cc we liked the map and the characteristic of the k03 then i get some good input from "jweir"...thanks again and a friend build the engine.
this is how a k03 works on 3rd gear without wastgate in the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=ioefn8N ... re=recentu
1200cc
stock internals
1300DP heads (35,5mm/32mm)
stock fuel
[quote="my_medusa"]"...A blower setup is MUCH simpler than a turbo setup. All it takes is a bracket to hold the blower and a belt to spin it...."
definitly not. turbocharging is simpler than supercharging. but that is not the case right here.
k03 is a very good turbo for blow through small engines...after searching a turbo for a 1200cc we liked the map and the characteristic of the k03 then i get some good input from "jweir"...thanks again and a friend build the engine.
this is how a k03 works on 3rd gear without wastgate in the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=ioefn8N ... re=recentu
1200cc
stock internals
1300DP heads (35,5mm/32mm)
stock fuel