2,4 type4 turbo 500hp -on gasoline- goal
- Wally
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Re: 2,23 ltr type 4 turbo build-up
So, after many fights with clutches, starter motors and the brake system, I finally have things working 'normally', so some street test runs could be made and for the first time in 5 years it was outside again getting some fresh gas
Hopefully inspection and an alignment (and a little drop to the coil-overs) to be road legal again in coming weeks
Then off to the dyno for a N/A base map figure.
Hopefully inspection and an alignment (and a little drop to the coil-overs) to be road legal again in coming weeks
Then off to the dyno for a N/A base map figure.
T4T: 2,4ltr Type 4 Turbo engine, 10.58 1/4 mi
www.apfelbeck.nl
"Mine isn't turbo'd to make a slow engine fast, but to make a fast engine insane" - Chip Birks
www.apfelbeck.nl
"Mine isn't turbo'd to make a slow engine fast, but to make a fast engine insane" - Chip Birks
- Trond Dahl
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Re: 2,23 ltr type 4 turbo build-up
Looks good Walter! I’m sure it was great to get it rolling the streets again
Street car 10.67/206kmt@Kjula 2014
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- petew
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Re: 2,23 ltr type 4 turbo build-up
Yay! I hope you're scaring the locals.
- Piledriver
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Re: 2,23 ltr type 4 turbo build-up
Cool, cars are (usually) always happier being driven.
Which motor this time?
Which motor this time?
Addendum to Newtons first law:
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
- Udo Airbus
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Re: 2,23 ltr type 4 turbo build-up
Ah yes, welcome back on the streets! Next on the track?
VW T1 1964 - Mouse Grey - Pearl White OG paint
Bagged, Porsche steeringrack/brakes..IRS, 1915cc
Bagged, Porsche steeringrack/brakes..IRS, 1915cc
- Wally
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Re: 2,23 ltr type 4 turbo build-up
Tnx! Inspection and dyno N/A first, then completely redoing most and adding turbo parts...Udo Airbus wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2017 11:47 pm Ah yes, welcome back on the streets! Next on the track?
- Wally
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Re: 2,23 ltr type 4 turbo build-up
Yes, its loud in N/A form Pete! So some scaring is inevitable
I think the large holes in the intake may be not so good for airspeed and the resulting torque, so I am indeed really curieus what the end result of this version 2,2 ltr engine is!
The former 2,2 ltr engine with the really nicely ported Original casting 914 2.0 heads (and lower CR) made 172 hp when I reverted it to N/A form.
Its the long term all-new T4 motor with Okrasa 74mm crank (same you run), 98mm bore with thick wall alu cylinders, billet (Thorsten Pieper) heads with 48x41 Ti valves, Pauter cam (between a 86B and a 86C for comparison) with straight cuts, mild compression for N/A, but high for a turbo engine (1:9-ish), 48mm TB's and a 1 3/4" exhaust from VWspeedshop.Piledriver wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2017 7:23 pm Cool, cars are (usually) always happier being driven.
Which motor this time?
I think the large holes in the intake may be not so good for airspeed and the resulting torque, so I am indeed really curieus what the end result of this version 2,2 ltr engine is!
The former 2,2 ltr engine with the really nicely ported Original casting 914 2.0 heads (and lower CR) made 172 hp when I reverted it to N/A form.
T4T: 2,4ltr Type 4 Turbo engine, 10.58 1/4 mi
www.apfelbeck.nl
"Mine isn't turbo'd to make a slow engine fast, but to make a fast engine insane" - Chip Birks
www.apfelbeck.nl
"Mine isn't turbo'd to make a slow engine fast, but to make a fast engine insane" - Chip Birks
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Re: 2,23 ltr type 4 turbo build-up
Hi Wally! Was your old 2.2 172hp at the wheels?
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Re: 2,23 ltr type 4 turbo build-up
- Wally
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Re: 2,23 ltr type 4 turbo build-up
I agree! Hopefully this engine will be even more interesting when boosted. I have tried most everything to make it even better, so I have great anticipation as you might understand
Coming wednesday inspection for road legality, alignment and hopefully a dynorun N/A
T4T: 2,4ltr Type 4 Turbo engine, 10.58 1/4 mi
www.apfelbeck.nl
"Mine isn't turbo'd to make a slow engine fast, but to make a fast engine insane" - Chip Birks
www.apfelbeck.nl
"Mine isn't turbo'd to make a slow engine fast, but to make a fast engine insane" - Chip Birks
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Re: 2,23 ltr type 4 turbo build-up
Should be interesting! Cant wait for the updates!
- Wally
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Re: 2,23 ltr type 4 turbo build-up
The shop appointment was partly succesfull (got another 2 year valid inspection, yeah!), but the car ran with weird lambda values all over the plce and was holding back audibly, especially when she warmed up some more...?
So, you could hear her struggling, still made 170hp at 6000 RPM when the dyno operator stopped the run exactly there. Torque was just at its peek at this RPM, which is unusually high up the rev range of course.
Now investigating what went wrong. I suspect something a new engine set-up would do like electrical interference or something
I'll keep you guys updated
I am also considering individual coils for space reasons and less risk of interference... That coil there in the middel needs to go anyways when I convert to turbo as its very in the way of things.
Anybody experience with these?: https://www.ampefi.com/product/ign-1a-race-coil/
These require special ignition leads also I think? (which ones, where to find those)
So, you could hear her struggling, still made 170hp at 6000 RPM when the dyno operator stopped the run exactly there. Torque was just at its peek at this RPM, which is unusually high up the rev range of course.
Now investigating what went wrong. I suspect something a new engine set-up would do like electrical interference or something
I'll keep you guys updated
I am also considering individual coils for space reasons and less risk of interference... That coil there in the middel needs to go anyways when I convert to turbo as its very in the way of things.
Anybody experience with these?: https://www.ampefi.com/product/ign-1a-race-coil/
These require special ignition leads also I think? (which ones, where to find those)
T4T: 2,4ltr Type 4 Turbo engine, 10.58 1/4 mi
www.apfelbeck.nl
"Mine isn't turbo'd to make a slow engine fast, but to make a fast engine insane" - Chip Birks
www.apfelbeck.nl
"Mine isn't turbo'd to make a slow engine fast, but to make a fast engine insane" - Chip Birks
- Chip Birks
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Re: 2,23 ltr type 4 turbo build-up
I have 4 of them in boxes and will use them someday. I have only heard good things about them. I don't have wires for them yet.
MSD 8849 Spark Plug Wire Boot Kit, (Set of 9)
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MSD 8849 Spark Plug Wire Boot Kit, (Set of 9)
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- Piledriver
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Re: 2,23 ltr type 4 turbo build-up
Those coils rock, variants of the Mercury offshore motor coils. someone here is running those, one of the boys from Idaho if gray matter is still working, Steve Ardnt I think.
Addendum to Newtons first law:
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.