1641 Turbo EFI Manx. 250Hp/337Nm Turbotub

[buguy]

Seemed to have boost control, water meth, logging, ignition, nitrous, 2 step. Pretty much everything you could want.

[petew]

^ That's what I was wondering. Because we have a few respected ECU builders downunder. Some of them are moving a lot of product OS and in the USA particularly. However, for the $$$$ none of them come close to MS in terms of features. It sort of hurts my head and heart that people throw so much cash at a name and all they get is a 2nd rate shiny box. ...that then needs three other shiny boxes to do what MS does with one.

[rubenski]

What 3 other shiney boxes Pete?

[buguy]

I don't know pete. I think the CB is pretty plug and play. That has a certain appeal.

[rubenski]

And its designed especially for a 4 cyl 1acvw

[buguy]

And I really don't think it's THAT much more expensive. You have to remember for $2800 you get the efi, harness, throttle bodies, fuel rails, 4 egt controllers, 4 wideband controllers.. Etc.... So it's not just the ecu.

[rubenski]

Yess but maybe its not cheaper as an MS if you look at them seperatly

[buguy]

I'm sure MS is cheaper but you have to do more of the work.

[Chip Birks]

And I really don't think it's THAT much more expensive. You have to remember for $2800 you get the efi, harness, throttle bodies, fuel rails, 4 egt controllers, 4 wideband controllers.. Etc.... So it's not just the ecu.

I see nothing about EGT at all, let alone 4. I'm also seeing the 4 widebands for $500 more, not part of the kit. You won't be able to run the per cylinder widebands on a turbo car because the back pressure will skew the readings without special pressure compensation built in. I know of 1 acvw with 4wb and pressure comp. Its sitting on my driveway

The Naturally Aspirated Gen4 EFI Kit includes the following parts:
- Gen4 ECU
- Wiring Harness
- Wideband O2 Sensor and bung
- Linkage Kit
- Linkage Crossbar
- Injectors w/Clips
- Gasket Set
- Fuel Rails
- #7132 Cylinder Head Temp Sensor
- #7163 Fuel Pressure Sensor
- #7133 Intake Air Temp Sensor
- Hardware Kit
- #7315t Fuel Pump
- #7138 14mm Full Flow Fuel Filter
- #7161 Fuel Pressure Regulator
- #3179 Fuel Pump Block Off Plate
- Fuel Tee
- Manifolds
- Throttle Bodies
- Rubber Hose
- Air Cleaner Bases, Tops and Hardware
- Air Cleaner Elements (3 1/4") (Naturally Aspirated Kit Only)
- (4) Velocity Stacks (Naturally Aspirated Kit Only)
- Serial Cable and USB Adapter
- Instruction Manual and CD

The Turbo Gen4 EFI Kit includes the following parts, in addition to the Naturally Aspirated parts listed above:
- Modified A/C bases, Pressure Covers, Hardware w/ gaskets
- #7489 Hybrid Turbo
- Turbo Header and #7631 Gasket
- #1882 Exhaust Gaskets (2 qty.)
- Pressure Pipe (T)
- Extension Pipe (S)
- 2.5" w/ 2.75 flare Air Cleaner Pipe (J)
- #7250 2.5" Air Cleaner
- #7637 Racing Turbo Exhaust Tail Pipe with #7633 Gasket
- #7241 TurboSmart Waste Gate
- (24) 8mm Washers
- (12) 8x35 Allen Bolts
- (12) 8mm x 11 Nuts
- (4) 8x35 Studs

- 6"-3/4" Hose w/ (2) #16 Clamps
- 3/4" x 1/2" Brass Barbed Straight Fitting
- 1/2" Threaded Close Coupler
- (2) 3/8" Allen Head Bolts
- 1/2" x 1/2" 90* Brass Block
- 90° Oil drain block w/ 7627 Gasket
- #1770 Drilled Thin Line Oil Sump w/ Hardware
- Machined Oil Sump Pipe

- 6"- #4 Metal Braid Line
- (2) 5/16" Allen Bolts
- Oil Feed Block w/ 7625 Gasket
- 1/8" Street Tee
- 1/8" x 90* Oil Feed Nipple
- 1/8” Straight Oil Feed Nipple

- 2.75" Nylon Hose (choose color)
- (4) 2" Nylon Hose (choose color)
- (2) #44 Clamps
- (8) #32 Clamps

[buguy]

EGT controllers.
Features
ECU features:
32bit processor, Marine grade locking connectors, 4mb of internal storage
8 High or Low impedance Injector drivers.
4 On board Direct Fire Ignition Drivers. Each driver can fire up to 2 coils.
8 Smart Coil drivers
VR Crank and Cam Input (36-1 Trigger Wheel supported for crankshaft position)
Hall Effect Crank and Cam Input
Coil Negative input (also accepts this input as a ignition timing control through points or points replacement modules)
8 Analog 0-5 volt inputs
8 Digital Inputs
On Board 2.5 Bar MAP sensor or external 1,2,3 or 5 Bar MAP input
On Board Barometer sensor (Adjusts tune automatically for altitude)
4 On Board Wideband O2 sensors
4 On Board K-Type EGT controllers
H-Bridge Idle Air Control
Gas, Methanol or E-85 Compatible (AFR displayed in gasoline scale)
Boost Controller
Water/Meth Controller
6 Outputs (1-amp max each)
Rev-Limiter and 2-Step Rev Limiter
2 stage Dry Nitrous Control (Feature Added on 4/30/15!)
Lean A/F protection (Feature Added on 4/30/15!)

[Chip Birks]

EGT controllers.
Features
ECU features:
32bit processor, Marine grade locking connectors, 4mb of internal storage
8 High or Low impedance Injector drivers.
4 On board Direct Fire Ignition Drivers. Each driver can fire up to 2 coils.
8 Smart Coil drivers
VR Crank and Cam Input (36-1 Trigger Wheel supported for crankshaft position)
Hall Effect Crank and Cam Input
Coil Negative input (also accepts this input as a ignition timing control through points or points replacement modules)
8 Analog 0-5 volt inputs
8 Digital Inputs
On Board 2.5 Bar MAP sensor or external 1,2,3 or 5 Bar MAP input
On Board Barometer sensor (Adjusts tune automatically for altitude)
4 On Board Wideband O2 sensors
4 On Board K-Type EGT controllers
H-Bridge Idle Air Control
Gas, Methanol or E-85 Compatible (AFR displayed in gasoline scale)
Boost Controller
Water/Meth Controller
6 Outputs (1-amp max each)
Rev-Limiter and 2-Step Rev Limiter
2 stage Dry Nitrous Control (Feature Added on 4/30/15!)
Lean A/F protection (Feature Added on 4/30/15!)

Interesting. Looks like maybe you just need to come up with the sensors, kinda like with the extra 3 o2 sensors. Big investment up front, but cool to have once there.

[petew]

What 3 other shiney boxes Pete?

The other expensive modules you have to add to the exy ECU to get it to do all the amazing things they advertise.

MS appears to do most of it with very few upgrades. Can't comment on the CB unit, but I will say, I've been a bit disappointed with pretty much everything I've purchased off them.

[rubenski]

Well there is really no extra box you have to have.

Guess you just dont have great experiences with cb. And that is reflecting in your reply's.



No biggie, you like what u like, i like what i like.

For me it seems to do everything i want it to do and my tuner is fine with it. He set up the cb blackbox for me to so he is familiar with their products.

[petew]

Then good luck. Hope it all works out.

...just don't come crying... Nah, we all cry and complain about our MS's anyway.

[rubenski]

Hahahaaa