2056 build up...

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BOYGENIUS
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2056 build up...

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Well I just bouoght a DTM with Kennedy flywheel and it came with a core "GA" 2.0 914 engine. It needs to be rebuilt but I don't want to go crazy with the rebuild since I will be getting a MASSIVE type 4 in a few years. I would like some tips on what to do to get the most HP per dollar spent. This is what I'm thinking so far.
1. Mallory dist.
2. KB pistons (forged or cast)?
3. 40mm dells ?
4. A-1 type 4 header!
5. ceramic lifters
6. cam...???
7. Balanced internals by RAT.
8. Heads???

Any Idea on HP. ???
Maybe should I go roller lifters. :twisted:

Car specs.
approx. 1800 lbs.
near daily driver 4 days a week. ( nice weather)
No real racing action.
Big old heavy 18" rear rims. 39lbs. bare per rim.
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Post by MASSIVE TYPE IV »

I'd use it as a learning curve. This time around save the bucks and just buy a few really good things that won't wear and can be used later when we really hook you up.



1. Mallory dist.
>>Absolutely!

2. KB pistons (forged or cast)?
>>>Hypereuctectic...... its a mix of forged and cast. all KBs are this construction

3. 40mm dells ?
>>>yep and we can use them later on a 2270

4. A-1 type 4 header!
>>>Yep

5. ceramic lifters
>>>>Of course, and we can reuse them with a cam swap later too.

6. cam...???
>>>>I'll hook you up.

7. Balanced internals by RAT.
>>>No sweat!

8. Heads???
>>This time around don't do any port work, just rebuild some heads stock with 42x36 valves. Send these to Adrian at headflow. Later Len and I will dreakm you up a set for the better engine. We'll have mucho new head developments in the coming year!
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Sounds good. How much horsepower would and engine like that create with the proper tuning.
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125 EASY with somewhat flat torque around 135lbs..... Thats the set up in my 912E and even built with used parts it celebrated its 2nd birthday two weeks ago....

2 years and 61,000 miles! Hasn't had the valves adjusted since Bug Jam last year and it has 16,000 miles (and 210 of those were on a road course) on the same oil!
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Excellent... :twisted: Speeding tickets here I come...

To jump off topic a little I think I'll need some taller gears . I have stock 1st and 2nd with 1.48 3rd and 0.89 4th with a 3.88 r/p. The tranny was already built ( by fisher buggies) with and aluminum side cover and a super diff but I think the gears will be too low for cruising up I-75 at 85mph. Rear tires are 80.5" in cir. or 25.6" diameter. What are your thoughts Jake.
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Type IVs can LAWAYS benefit from taller gears. we have the torque to move them and not fry and at the same time we have the added cooling capability to keep from running hotter...

Read the pages on my site concerning transaxles.... You'll save enough on gas in one year of driving to buy my gearbox! several people have told me they did after driving for years with a stocker and the same engine....

We are specialist at creating matched engine/gearing combinations. Normal tranny shops don't recognize the capability of a TIV and they screw up the ratios... Have your tires preselected before we build you a tranny!
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I read the website and it looks like I will need a "B" transaxle to meet my needs. Since my tranny is brand new could you replace what is needed to optimize the setup for my 2056. I could bring the tranny up to Toccoa if you have a way of getting it back to your shop. Let me know if you are interested.
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I have a ton of stuff to bring back from Toccoa. I may not have room. Several customers are dropping engines off there.

Honestly, you are better off selling your tranny or keeping it as a spare- I probably won't use much of anything from it for the new one.
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Very well then. I'll run it until it brakes. :twisted: Shouldn't take me too long. If you ask the guys from the VKG I can break anything. :D I have the touch of death.
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I have you beat........
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Post by bj »

looks like we're trying to build the same type of motor! i'm getting my jugs bored out by rimco next week when i go to LA. already bought my pistons from AC.net. not sure about the heads though. have some 2.0s, but not sure if i'll be going bigger anytime soon. i'm doing what jake said to do...chalk it up for learning. when comfortable i'll go BIG!

keep us posted on how your engine is coming along.

bj
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MASSIVE TYPE IV wrote:I have you beat........
True, you break things for a living, than improve them.
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bj wrote:looks like we're trying to build the same type of motor! i'm getting my jugs bored out by rimco next week when i go to LA. already bought my pistons from AC.net. not sure about the heads though. have some 2.0s, but not sure if i'll be going bigger anytime soon. i'm doing what jake said to do...chalk it up for learning. when comfortable i'll go BIG!

keep us posted on how your engine is coming along.

bj
It will be a while before the engine is assembled. Now that I know what parts to get I can keep my eyes open for some good deals. It should be running in the spring some time.
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Post by bj »

i hear you on that! i think from here on out it's basically new parts. i was able to find 1.7l rockers from thesamba for $10 bucks or so. that's about it. not sure if i over paid on that too. :?

instead of dell 40s, i'm going to try and run my dell 45s. that's prolly the only difference perhaps between your build and mine.

good luck on the parts hunt.

bj
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Post by yetibone »

BG, That's an excellent idea. It'll get you rolling reliably for as little $$$ as possible.

If you need some 1.7 rockers or other misc. bits, I got you covered on the gruppe plan! :D
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