Kit Carlson EMS Question...

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Kit Carlson EMS Question...

Post by NZBug » Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:28 pm

Hi Jake,

I was just wondering what throttle bodies you will be offering with the Kit Carlson EMS EFI kit when it is available? Will they be the Jenvey ones like on the test engine shown on your website?

Are there any plans to offer a single center mount throttle body and IR runners as well?

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Post by MASSIVE TYPE IV » Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:43 pm

I plan to offer the Kit Carlson system with Jenvey T/Bs in the deluxe kits due to their price. Right now the dollar sucks so bad that my 52mm Jenveys cost me almost 1200 bucks with fuel rails and etc!

I will also offer the arrangement with a set of CB Throttle bodies as well.

There is a plenum in the works for the EMS, but don't count on seeing it for atleast 8-12 months..

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Post by Class 11 streeter » Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:18 pm

MASSIVE TYPE IV wrote:There is a plenum in the works for the EMS, but don't count on seeing it for atleast 8-12 months..
For DTM/upright? Image
So you think your project is taking forever eh? Well you've got nothing on me.....

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Post by Guest » Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:45 am

Cool, thanks for that....

What are the benefits of the Jenvey TB's over the CB ones? Is it just mainly quality or are there performance benefits with the Jenvey? ie; Injector placment etc etc....

What the benefits of a center TB/plenum arrangement over dual TB's (if any).....

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Post by MASSIVE TYPE IV » Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:55 am

Mainly the fact that the Jenvey bodies are available in smaller sizes and can use a wider array of injectors.

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Post by NZBug » Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:33 am

Sounds good Jake...very exciting having another PEFI kit avail to the VW scene!

So when the kit is ready, will it be available as a complete kit with all parts...ie; TPS, MAP, temp sensors etc, TB's, maifolds, ECU, harness etc?
Will you also offer it in different stages like your DTM kits?

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Post by MASSIVE TYPE IV » Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:41 am

The EMS will be different...

Either you buy ONLY the brain, harnass and direct fire coil pack OR you get the whole package- nothing in between way too many variables..

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Post by NZBug » Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:52 am

understandable....I guess it can get tricky trying to offer too many options....

I take it the complete package will have some kind of crank trigger, (DIS maybe...without giving too much away) if you are talking about direct fire coil packs???

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Post by MASSIVE TYPE IV » Wed Jan 12, 2005 3:10 am

It uses a modified 009 for simplicity sakes. All the 009 does is tell the brain what cylinder to fire. None of the ignition curve is in the dizzy- however..

You can see some pics of it on the research portion of the site.

I have not touched mine in 10,000 miles...

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Post by samcat » Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:11 am

MASSIVE TYPE IV wrote:It uses a modified 009 for simplicity sakes. All the 009 does is tell the brain what cylinder to fire. None of the ignition curve is in the dizzy- however..
Finally, a good use for the 009... Saves having to throw them into the bin!

Really interested in this, will be keeping a close eye on developments. :)

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Post by Guest » Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:49 am

I thought you could use the plenum from the stock L-jet.I understand the reason for Jenves on the upright conversion but I want a plenum based system.Jake,What did you use on the 914? Regards,Roger

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Post by MASSIVE TYPE IV » Wed Jan 12, 2005 10:05 am

The stock plenum only has "so much" volume. The larger the engine the more volume the plenum needs to create efficiency for optimum tuning and performance.

I have a 914 customer now that is attempting to use the stock 2.4 914 plenum with a 2270. I am skeptical about it, but we'll see how it tunes.

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Post by NZBug » Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:08 pm

Can't wait!!!

Just 1 more question, promise....

Are you using MAP as well as TPS for sensors back to the ECU? If so, how do you get a MAP signal from each TB?.....can you just drill and tap each TB and run a vacum line to a MAP sensor (or maybe Daves system has a MAP sensor in the brain? That would be cool!)

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ps; The new shop looks great!

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Post by MASSIVE TYPE IV » Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:22 pm

Yes, map and TPS. The Jenvey TBs have a TPS provision on them.

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Post by Steve Arndt » Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:40 pm

Tomnotch uses the stock(ish) center plenum and runners on his 78x102 combo. It works well for him w/ a haltech and his own brew of throttle body and injectors.

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