Ignition lock cylinder

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Ignition lock cylinder

Post by Bucko » Sat Mar 26, 2005 1:03 am

I'm in the proccess of getting my 1971 military type 181 started. Unfortunatly, the key is missing, so I may need to replace the ignition lock cylinder with a new one with key(s). The VW part number on the steering lock "housing" is 311 905 861 A, which I'm assuming came from a type III? I have the entire unit removed from the steering column right now.

It has the red (post 30) to battery wire, red/black (post 50) to starter wire, the black (post 15) to fuse wire, and a grey (post marked "P") which looks like it connects to a brown wire which I'm guessing is parking lights (schematics that identify this grey "P" post say it's "SCHALTER FUR PARKLICHT" (switch for parking light).

Anyhow, what ignition lock cylinder w/keys do I order? Does anyone have a link to a site? How do I remove the old lock cylinder from it's housing?

Perhaps a locksmith can make a key?

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Post by Bucko » Sat Mar 26, 2005 9:46 pm

UPDATE:

I took the seats out along with the indoor/outdoor carpet the previous owner had placed on the floor pans, and discovered the key to the ignition!

Still have the question though on how to remove the ignition lock from the steering lock "housing". I have this entire assembly removed from the steering column, and I'm trying to figure out how this key lock comes out.

Anyone?

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Post by Kubelmann » Sun Mar 27, 2005 2:53 am

Prescript The part you are worried about comes out with one screw. Contact Sal Ricccobono as suggested later in this post and he will take you there. Read pn then contatact me via pmail as all my manuals are up in Things and it is snowing for real......................................... and I'm wasted and I can't find my way home...



Bucko dear friend, I am happy and also not a bit surprised you found the key (to the highway) I have offered advise to a number of folks today in reference to a VW Thing ignition switch issue. By the numbers here i go

1. Sal Riccobono recently went through the preverbial fire replacing his ignition. contact him at ricco5@msn.com

2. Gabriel Garcia is as far as I know.. The leading VW ac lock and key expert in our known universe. Contact him at

214/509-3809 gabvwkey@sbcglobal.net
For more information about his VW keys/locks/parts & service, go to www.gabrielsvwgarage.com
Gabriel Garcia
603 Meadow Creek Dr.
Allen, TX 75002


3. Remember that 73 and 74 Things have different ignition lock set ups. The lower ignion switch parts are completely different parts for 73 and 74 Ask Mike Basso about this. He is very informed on this issue.

The Thing only part is the lock cylinder w/ keys part # 181 905 851

The actual starter switch is a common VW part # 111 905 865K
The Thing shop sells the locking cyliner as part number 411 905 855B for $40

Also contact Mike Basso at Things Unlimited atmpb181@aol.com or call him at (518) 630-0173


These are the fact and as I see it they are in disputable. K-mann
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Post by Bucko » Sun Mar 27, 2005 7:15 pm

Much thanks to you Kubelmann for your continual support in this and all future areas I will have no doubt. I'm also glad you made it home safe and sound! I worked on a 73 VW Beetle for 4 years, only to have mymy 17 year old son state that he wanted a truck instead. Good thing I did this restoration as a way to vent my work day stress, and that I loved doing it.

The "Thing" is my next new adventure, and it will be MY car; there are items on this car that I did not experience with the 73 Beetle, such as the ignition switch. I'm amazed in how well "preserved" this Thing is. The floors are perfect, as the military (or previous owner) kept a good coating of metal protection on it. There is some rust on the front fenders (top where they meet the body) but I believe these are repairable, as there are no rust through spots. The underside of the windshield frame has some rust too, but again it looks to be preservable.

Another question: under the passenger side of the vehicle is a square "rail" along with a strap. My guess is that some sort of box fit here, and the strap held it in place. How close am I, and what did go here?

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Post by Kubelmann » Sun Mar 27, 2005 11:56 pm

Glad the ignition info was helpful. Can you send me a pic of bar and strap?

I suspect this is where the charcoal fuel "fume" evaporator goes. It is a devise that attaches via a 1/4" tube from the gas tank vent tube to absorb gas fumes and make your Thing gas stink free. K-mann

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Post by Bucko » Mon Mar 28, 2005 6:56 am

I know of the charcoal canister you are refering to, but I don't think this is the case. Would VW have put that inside the passenger compartment? Realizing this was a military car, perhaps so. In checking the gas tank, there appears to be no tubing off of the tank filler neck , nor is there a "tee" fitting for one. On the 73 Beetle, I had a "tee" fitting that routed a rubber tube to a canister on the front sidewall under the hood, and then from there it routed back to the rear passenger side charcoal canister which then connected to the fan shroud. This was to vent gas tank fumes.

I see no evidence of any of this on this 71 model. Perhaps the military versions used something else. Knowing the person that I got this vehicle from, he had no mechanical "know how" at all, and relied on the German mechanics to fix everything. Tampering with any fuel/vapor or enviroment parts was/is a big no-no in Germany, with extreme heavy fines. All vehicles have yearly inspections to be allowed to operate on the roads in Germany. This is why I have the Thing now; it failed inspection b ecause it has what I refer to as surface rust. Something in the states that just about any U.S. car of this age would have. In Germany, it's not allowed. So, the fuel vapor stoff if equipped in 71 would have had to be installed to operate on the roads. He did drive this Thing until a couple of years ago when the surface rust appeared, and he did not want to get that repaired.

I do have a "illustrated catalogue" for a type 181 that has exploded diagrams of the 181, but it does not show this rail looking frame and strap that's located above the foot area of the passender side. I have the various rifle clamps, along with the rifle hold downs under the rear seat (angle pieces of metal with threaded holes that were mentioned on a previous post here last week).

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Post by Kubelmann » Mon Mar 28, 2005 8:27 am

I misunderstood about the bracket being inside the passenger compartment. There is no way that canister would be inside the car compartment. The canisters on a 73 are one under the front hood and one under the car back by the trans axle. Could you please send me picutres of the rifle mounts and their various parts and also send me a pciture of the bar and strap deal under the seat. I can find out what it is or was. K-mann

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Post by pjmacua » Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:03 am

Bucko wrote:Another question: under the passenger side of the vehicle is a square "rail" along with a strap. My guess is that some sort of box fit here, and the strap held it in place. How close am I, and what did go here?
Hello

You're right.
It is for the first aid kit.

Regards
Pierre-J MACUA

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Post by Kubelmann » Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:52 am

I have two of the first aid kits. Can someone post the mount location. I have never seen that. It would be cool to install the first aid kits in the correct mount. K-mann

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Post by Bucko » Wed Mar 30, 2005 4:09 pm

Want to sell one of those first aid kits? I'd like to have one.

I'll post a pic of the "rail" in question by tomorrow.

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Post by Marc » Wed Mar 30, 2005 4:25 pm

Sight-unseen I'd expect a `71 Kubel to have more in common with a `70 Beetle or Type III in this area than with a later Thing.
The electrical portion of the ignition switch is retained by a small set screw, but the lock cylinder is held in by a detent spring - there's a hole in the housing that you depress it through, allowing you to wriggle the cylinder out of the housing. Should be easier with the key in it, you may need to rotate it slightly (to the left?) as you pull.

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Post by Bucko » Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:28 pm

[quote="Marc"]Sight-unseen I'd expect a `71 Kubel to have more in common with a `70 Beetle or Type III in this area than with a later Thing.
The electrical portion of the ignition switch is retained by a small set screw, but the lock cylinder is held in by a detent spring - there's a hole in the housing that you depress it through, allowing you to wriggle the cylinder out of the housing. Should be easier with the key in it, you may need to rotate it slightly (to the left?) as you pull.[/quote]

As usual, your right on Marc. Do you eat, sleep, and bleed aircooled VW knowledge?

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