<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GDRBO:
Just to clarify my 54 has the ride hight I want. I was just thinking of replacing the drum brakes with late discs.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
-'68-'69 Bay beam bolts right up
-Get disc brake set-up off a later Bay bus...'73 or up. They'll swap right onto '68 beam.
-Install adjusters in the '68 beam because if you don't, when you install it on your split window truck, it'll sit 1-2 inches too high in the front. You could also just cut the beam, get to the height you want, then weld it back. Cheaper than adjusters...but you gotta do it right the first time.
***The easier way to get disc brakes is the porsche disc brake kit from Oldspeed.com. But that costs like $900 or something. Your choice...time or money.
Discs on an early bus?
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Pillow
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I am currently researching the OldSpeed disc brake conversion setup... Might be reasonable *if* you have some of the parts already.
I am assuming for now that it will use the 911S or 911 SC calipers "M" or "A" version. Also the kit is optional with resurfaced used rotors or new ones.
I am figuring that OldSpeed will sell the kit minus the calipers and rotors for a reasonable deal..? That is my big question. And then I have or can hunt out the rest of the goodies on my own.
... More to come probably this spring...
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Adrian Pillow
'66 VW Westfalia - "Biscuit"
'79 Porsche 911 SC - "Cochise"
I am assuming for now that it will use the 911S or 911 SC calipers "M" or "A" version. Also the kit is optional with resurfaced used rotors or new ones.
I am figuring that OldSpeed will sell the kit minus the calipers and rotors for a reasonable deal..? That is my big question. And then I have or can hunt out the rest of the goodies on my own.
... More to come probably this spring...
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Adrian Pillow
'66 VW Westfalia - "Biscuit"
'79 Porsche 911 SC - "Cochise"
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type2guy
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pillow:
I am assuming for now that it will use the 911S or 911 SC calipers "M" or "A" version.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually, I already did this too. It's been a few years, but from what I found out the kit uses pre-?'85? 944 parts. Can't remember the year...maybe it's '87. Anyway, it could be a DIY project from what I've found. The only real piece that needs to be fabricated is a bracket to hold the caliper. You have to find the right size bearings...but that should be easy enough by taking the parts to a bearing supply place. There was an article on the kit in one of the VW mags a few years back. It showed the installation and had a few pictures of the parts. I contacted oldspeed and asked them what porsche parts it'd use in case I needed to replace them down the line and they told me the 944. I had considered making up a DIY kit at home, but have changed plans since then. I could probably dig around and find stuff I printed and saved for the project if someone wanted. But basically if you take what I've said here and run with it it could be done. Porsche parts are still expensive...so find a wrecked one and try to salvage the stuff. Might as well get the brake stuff off the rear as well so when you do the IRS conversion with bug IRS you can use the Porsce parts instead and get the Porsce bolt pattern in the back.
I am assuming for now that it will use the 911S or 911 SC calipers "M" or "A" version.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually, I already did this too. It's been a few years, but from what I found out the kit uses pre-?'85? 944 parts. Can't remember the year...maybe it's '87. Anyway, it could be a DIY project from what I've found. The only real piece that needs to be fabricated is a bracket to hold the caliper. You have to find the right size bearings...but that should be easy enough by taking the parts to a bearing supply place. There was an article on the kit in one of the VW mags a few years back. It showed the installation and had a few pictures of the parts. I contacted oldspeed and asked them what porsche parts it'd use in case I needed to replace them down the line and they told me the 944. I had considered making up a DIY kit at home, but have changed plans since then. I could probably dig around and find stuff I printed and saved for the project if someone wanted. But basically if you take what I've said here and run with it it could be done. Porsche parts are still expensive...so find a wrecked one and try to salvage the stuff. Might as well get the brake stuff off the rear as well so when you do the IRS conversion with bug IRS you can use the Porsce parts instead and get the Porsce bolt pattern in the back.
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Pillow
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Darn 944 parts!!! 
The 911 ones are so easy to get though, and I have extra new rotors already... Grrr.
You maybe right I need to strip a 944. They are disposable cars anyway, just hope they are cheap.
Thanks,
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Adrian Pillow
'66 VW Westfalia - "Biscuit"
'79 Porsche 911 SC - "Cochise"
The 911 ones are so easy to get though, and I have extra new rotors already... Grrr.You maybe right I need to strip a 944. They are disposable cars anyway, just hope they are cheap.
Thanks,
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'66 VW Westfalia - "Biscuit"
'79 Porsche 911 SC - "Cochise"
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Pillow
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I agree! I have seen a few "racer" 944s with blown engines or just no engine (taken for another race car) and then sold very cheap... Like a few hundred dollars cheap!
Should have pick up a couple by now I guess, hopefully next time
Are you putting the phone dials on your bus? I think it would be cool. Maybe powdercoated to match the bus...
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Adrian Pillow
'66 VW Westfalia - "Biscuit"
'79 Porsche 911 SC - "Cochise"
Should have pick up a couple by now I guess, hopefully next time
Are you putting the phone dials on your bus? I think it would be cool. Maybe powdercoated to match the bus...
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'66 VW Westfalia - "Biscuit"
'79 Porsche 911 SC - "Cochise"
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pillow:
Are you putting the phone dials on your bus? I think it would be cool. Maybe powdercoated to match the bus...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually, I'm gonna use a set on a future project. I'm upgrading the running gear of a splitty to all Baywindow stuff and then stuffing a 2.0 upright T4 engine in there. I'm gonna use the balljoint front end with late discs, full bus IRS rear-end with late bay 091 Tranny. Basically a nice highway cruising splitty! I always like the look of phone dials, and found a good way to use a set. The later phone dials that came on the later 944's ('85 or '87...again, can't remember the year) has a different offset then the earlier ones that were on 924's and early 944's. What's cool about this is that in order for them to be correct on a bus, you'd have to use spacers (which Porsche did factory on a few of their cars) So guess what....a nice well built adapter to change bolt patterns to the porsche 5-bolt is just the right size for that spacer! So you get your bolt pattern with the adapters as spacers and the offset ends up being correct for the bus! Bingo!
It pays to do research! Don't tell my boss!
Are you putting the phone dials on your bus? I think it would be cool. Maybe powdercoated to match the bus...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually, I'm gonna use a set on a future project. I'm upgrading the running gear of a splitty to all Baywindow stuff and then stuffing a 2.0 upright T4 engine in there. I'm gonna use the balljoint front end with late discs, full bus IRS rear-end with late bay 091 Tranny. Basically a nice highway cruising splitty! I always like the look of phone dials, and found a good way to use a set. The later phone dials that came on the later 944's ('85 or '87...again, can't remember the year) has a different offset then the earlier ones that were on 924's and early 944's. What's cool about this is that in order for them to be correct on a bus, you'd have to use spacers (which Porsche did factory on a few of their cars) So guess what....a nice well built adapter to change bolt patterns to the porsche 5-bolt is just the right size for that spacer! So you get your bolt pattern with the adapters as spacers and the offset ends up being correct for the bus! Bingo!
It pays to do research! Don't tell my boss!
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pillow:
I need to strip a 944. They are disposable cars anyway, just hope they are cheap.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh, that reminds me of one that HUURRRTS. A guy here bought one right before me...for $500!!!! Everything is there, just not running. Oh well. He said he wanted to upgrade the wheels and tires, so I"m gonna at least get a cheap set of phone dials.
The deals are out there. But you have to not only be patient...but be ready!$!$!$!$!
RR http://www.type2guy.com
I need to strip a 944. They are disposable cars anyway, just hope they are cheap.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh, that reminds me of one that HUURRRTS. A guy here bought one right before me...for $500!!!! Everything is there, just not running. Oh well. He said he wanted to upgrade the wheels and tires, so I"m gonna at least get a cheap set of phone dials.
The deals are out there. But you have to not only be patient...but be ready!$!$!$!$!
RR http://www.type2guy.com
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Pillow
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Dang that sounds sweet!
I have not seen a complete baywindow rear end put in a split before so this would be a cool conversion to document.
Excellent offset research too! Makes a lot of difference to know what you are getting into before you start
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Adrian Pillow
'66 VW Westfalia - "Biscuit"
'79 Porsche 911 SC - "Cochise"
I have not seen a complete baywindow rear end put in a split before so this would be a cool conversion to document.
Excellent offset research too! Makes a lot of difference to know what you are getting into before you start
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'66 VW Westfalia - "Biscuit"
'79 Porsche 911 SC - "Cochise"
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GDRBO
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I knew a guy who did everything except the type 4 motor. He did his back in the late 70s. There used to be a bolt-on IRS pivot mount available that made this (IRS conversion) very easy.
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Check out this site for IRS rear conversions with a bolt on trailing arm mount I think they do dropped spindles for bays too,I know they used to.
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whoops forgot to post the site its www.kruizinwagon.com.au
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bus Boy:
whoops forgot to post the site its www.kruizinwagon.com.au <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeh, those guys are cool for sure. I emailed them about their IRS kit and they said that it isn't made to use the bus tranny though. Still a very cool kit. Very simular to the IRS II kit that Bus Boys sells.
I here the australian $$$ is like .50 cents on the US dollar. Don't know how shipping would factor in, but would be a good time to buy some stuff from these guys! Lots of cool bus stuff there for sure.
RR http://www.type2guy.com
whoops forgot to post the site its www.kruizinwagon.com.au <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeh, those guys are cool for sure. I emailed them about their IRS kit and they said that it isn't made to use the bus tranny though. Still a very cool kit. Very simular to the IRS II kit that Bus Boys sells.
I here the australian $$$ is like .50 cents on the US dollar. Don't know how shipping would factor in, but would be a good time to buy some stuff from these guys! Lots of cool bus stuff there for sure.
RR http://www.type2guy.com
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hello everyone, just like to add my thoughts. i run a 69 bay, 1915 type 1 engine, porsche cooling fan, porsche 915 gearbox etc, and obviously had to turn my attention to the almost non existent drum brakes!
my front brakes i acquired from a german company called 'custom & speed parts' www.csp-shop.de i beleive they have a sales agent in the u.s, when we came over for one of the pomona swapmeets in march this year, i remember seeing their adverts in some of the vw mags. anyway, they bolt straight onto bay drum brake spindles, use gm calipers, so pads are not expensive, and allow you to keep the wide 5 stud pattern.
the rear brakes were all but binned, and i got hold of 72 on backpaltes, wheel cyls, shoes & handbrake levers etc. the only mod you have to do is increase the dowel size where the adjuster housing locates to the bearing housing, early is 6mm, late is 8mm if i remember.
you obviously keep the original drums with the drive splines on, and properly adjusted up, the pedal is right at the top, and it stops like a servo assisted car! (at this point in time, it dosent have a servo. so it is do-able, and it works!
my front brakes i acquired from a german company called 'custom & speed parts' www.csp-shop.de i beleive they have a sales agent in the u.s, when we came over for one of the pomona swapmeets in march this year, i remember seeing their adverts in some of the vw mags. anyway, they bolt straight onto bay drum brake spindles, use gm calipers, so pads are not expensive, and allow you to keep the wide 5 stud pattern.
the rear brakes were all but binned, and i got hold of 72 on backpaltes, wheel cyls, shoes & handbrake levers etc. the only mod you have to do is increase the dowel size where the adjuster housing locates to the bearing housing, early is 6mm, late is 8mm if i remember.
you obviously keep the original drums with the drive splines on, and properly adjusted up, the pedal is right at the top, and it stops like a servo assisted car! (at this point in time, it dosent have a servo. so it is do-able, and it works!