Ol'fogasaurus black buggy

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Re: Ol'fogasaurus black buggy

Post by bajaherbie » Sun May 30, 2021 8:59 am

Tell 'em that you want to be buried in it!

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Post by Ol'fogasaurus » Sun May 30, 2021 10:51 am

bajaherbie wrote:
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Tell 'em that you want to be buried in it!

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No, I'm going to be barbequed and will be the main dish!

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Along with the ginormous (yes, it is a real word) rise in the prices of building lots and housing in the Seattle area so have so many other things such as small plots of land in certain types of sanctuaries' :roll: . Near the start of the movie "People will talk" there is a short dialogue on this subject which helped turned me Claustrophobic on the subject. I also grew up across the street from a cemetery and remember seeing corpses being dug up and the old wooden casket breaking apart. Not the best thing for a pre-teen to see.

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Re: Ol'fogasaurus black buggy

Post by chuckput » Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:22 pm

This appeared on Facebook located in your neck of the woods (Canyonville) yet it has California tags.
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Post by Ol'fogasaurus » Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:31 pm

Canyonville is in southern Oregon with a casino in it, we used to stop there when we were Snowbirding. We are north of there and really north of there (the Seattle area)

I bought my body in the '93/'94 era from Redhead Roadsters out of Waitsburg WA. He had/made several different kit bodies including the Cute-T. I ran into him on line several years after I got mine as he was selling off his molds; he said his wife had closed him out and he had to pay off bills. Haven't heard from him since.

He had kits based on the VW pan and kits for "VW engines, V6 or electric power through 4-speed, 5-speed or automatic" trans's.

The CA tags might be true as the car could have originated there but is now in OR.

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Post by bajaherbie » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:31 am

I grew up about 1/4 mile from a cemetery and still live there...

My mom always had the nicest plastic flowers on mothers day! We also found a few sets of dentures in the burn pit at the back!

My mom didnt really like the set my brother had on his dresser!

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Post by Ol'fogasaurus » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:48 am

The cemetery I lived across the street from was in town so that kind of work wasn't done there. The open (un-used area when I was a kid) end of the cemetery is now a military only area and is pretty much filled up. A lot of playing stories there by us kids and more so by the now inhabitants. Thanks guys and gals for their personal sacrifices'.

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Post by chuckput » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:56 am

My great-great grandmother's grave is in the cemetery in Yoncalla (since y'all's talking about cemeteries)😁

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Post by Ol'fogasaurus » Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:10 am

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The purple line is were an unsupported front beam would bend if it got hit hard enough. In this pix the lower commercial beam support is shown which would on it's own support the lower part of the beam and may give a certain amount of support for the upper tube of the beam. The upper support is shown but there is no real support via. the firewall on the buggy especially which the way I have mounted the hydraulic clutch and brake cylinders.
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This is what I have been playing with for supporting the upper tube of the beam but I just can't figure out a good option even with the help given. There is always a plus or minus to everything (at least so far).
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This is how I think the loading (the line with a "X" on it is the load pattern) on the upper tube would cause the supporting bends to distort and the beam will still get bent, maybe not as much but some. the same with a landing from height or hitting a "no-see-um" covered hole in the sand (someone got stuck and the pan was on the sand until the buggy was dug out and the hole loosely filled. I have hit a slightly differently formed "no-see-um" hard enough that the shocks locked in a compressed situation and damage was don't to the bodies fenders from the front tires rubbing against them.

As I have said before, when you bend metal be it sheet or tube the inner part of the bend compresses and the outer surface of the bend stretches losing strength in the bend. On page 55 of his book Jeff Hibbard shows a pix of a bent beam from hitting a bolder. Hitting a tree, a quad jumping off a hill landing on the front end (I have seen this on a couple of rails) or a SXS smacking into your front end at speed is probably going to be much worse so putting the upper tube in place the way it has to be in stalled is not like what you can do with a tubular rail frame; e.g., the support being on the outer end of the upper tube.

So... right now I am still trying to decide "if or not to if", that is the question. I go through this several times a day arguing with myself over it.

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Post by Ol'fogasaurus » Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:02 am

Sorry I haven't posted on this for a while. Too much spring work to do around the house (help my wife do her gardening... she does a great job of it) and the ongoing argument on the upper tube and what I will/should do; e.g., put the upper beam support in or just rely on the lower beam support. I also have another supposedly short build thing that it turns out isn't a short time wise build itself. Just too much going on or... I am too busy doing nothing :oops: .

It is the double bend and what it does or could do; I posted the sketch of that potential which is giving me fits... in other words, is the double bend in the area of the firewall to the front hoop of the cage going to work well enough or will the lower beam support be enough to protect from a front end whoopie :twisted: :lol: . With what is going on out on the dunes safety is getting to be more important.

The body is going on temporarily shortly so I can locate the fuel tank on it's mount and center it on to the hole in the body for full use. Also I am going to try to locate the front hoop of the cage in relationship to the body's front hoop and the pan and for entrance into the body access (location of the front hoop vs. the forward most location of the front seat is driving this.

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Post by Ol'fogasaurus » Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:35 pm

This is also a reason for having the body back on the pan at least for a temporary period of time.
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This is my proposed truss/kaffer bar piece that will hook into the rear roll cage hoop. As it sits here I clamped a vertical piece of stock to the body lift to see just where the rear of the outer surface of the rear firewall would roughly sit. it is close but the arc is very close to where the firewall would be but it might be OK. Where the group of tubes is is where the cross tube connecting both sides of the hoop would be and where harness would attach to the cage. Marginal so I need the body on to be sure.
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The next problem is the body, the fuel tank and the truss/kaffer bar's relationship to the fuel tank and it's access to from the body. The arc is below the neck of the fuel tank as close as I can tell.
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The is the access depression on the body where problems may exist; the arrow shows the access hole cover. The tank is very close to the sides of the body here so the location from the sides of the body and the tank need to be checked out so the holes in the mount are correct. The mounts themselves I think are OK but to check that I needed to pull the engine for access. The cross bracing of the tank mounts needs the engine back in... I think but currently not sure of.

All this is still part of the basic mockup. Buggies are much more problematic than rails or some Bajas... but not all of them because they are designed to fit a basic stock VW pan which was not designed for what a lot of use are doing with them.

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Post by Ol'fogasaurus » Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:08 am

There is a little boy who's age I am not sure of (maybe in the 5 or 6 age group) who's grandparents live in the area my wife and I do and he often goes for a walk with them (we are in a hilly area with a lot of dead end streets which has become a walking or strolling area for people in the area). Every time they go by the house you can see him look to see if the garage door is open so he can see what is going on with my buggy.

Yesterday we got talking and I opened the garage door so he could get close to see it (I've done it before) but this time I let him get in and sit in the seat (since there wasn't anything unsafe around). I explained to him what things (mostly above his head but the talking to him seemed to relax him) were and let him touch the turning brake handles and as he got use to things he slid forward on the seat (it was already at the forward most position) and soon he was driving and steering my buggy.

From what his grandparents said he is probably a car guy... in training that is.

Kind of made me feel good about things. :wink:

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Post by bajaherbie » Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:53 pm

Hide the keys to all of your autos, someday that kid is going to go for a spin! Haha

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Post by Ol'fogasaurus » Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:55 pm

bajaherbie wrote:
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Hide the keys to all of your autos, someday that kid is going to go for a spin! Haha

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:lol:

Yeah, we already have that problem in the area, not only cars but houses also. The kid across the street had is car ransacked last week.

Right now this youngster seems to have very good control; he was hold back conscious but when he finally gave in to the offer to get in then the driving detail came out in a short while but... who knows what will be a few years on down the line too. If he inherits his basic instincts from the grandparents he walks with I think he will be OK (I seem to remember [and I am probably wrong] that at lease 4 generations from both sides can mingle in a single person giving them different personalities or combinations thereof. There also could be more genetics involved also).

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Post by Ol'fogasaurus » Sat Jun 26, 2021 6:22 pm

Its supposed to 112° in Seattle tomorrow then 113° the next day. Our yard work had stopped both due to finding a bee's nest where we were working (the wife got stung) and the heat. Now there are no walkers/strollers on the sidewalks even early in the AM. Doesn't normally get this warm this early in the summer mounts around here.

It feels like I can weld w/o using a welder right now... just touch the wire to the seam and watch it and the metal melt together :roll: :lol: .

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Re: Ol'fogasaurus black buggy

Post by chuckput » Sat Jun 26, 2021 8:44 pm

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This is my daily experience June through September.
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