Type 4 for My Ghia

[Piledriver]

Getting that fixed or finding another case will cost a lot less than a 2165, and last much longer.

[jwmorris]

Piledriver, I already have the 2165, that engine suffered from a flat cam a few years ago. I have assembled most of the parts for the rebuild but it was intended for another car. That car was to be more of a hot rod, this car I think I want a cool running, long lasting, reliable, cruiser. I'm not sure because I have never driven it. I started tearing it apart shortly after I purchased it.

I do have another Type 4 block that I did not think I would ever build. This one spent some time in a bus. It was given to me missing one cylinder head, one cylinder head with bent fins, cracked fins on the piston cylinders without the head, dirty on the outside, and with a piece missing from the area near one of the engine mounting holes (I do have the majority of the broken piece to weld back in).

I tore that case apart yesterday. It is a 1.8 liter, Porsche engine, with a windage tray. The rod bearings are loose on the one rod I removed. The case bearings are not a tight fit to the case. This case would need a line bore, some welding, and a careful inspection before being used for a rebuild. If I were on the west coast the decision would be easier, living on the east coast means I would probably have to ship it across country and back for the work needed.

Is there a reputable place to line bore and inspect a case on the east coast? Are line bore bearings readily available and of decent quality for the Type 4 engine?

[jwmorris]

I have been known to be too stubborn for my own good....

So, which is preferable, a welded W case or an EC case that has been line bored? Are there particular things I should check the EC (bus) case for before using it for a build? I am not sure how long the engine was in a bus, but I am sure it did spend some time in one.

[R2.0]

Where are you on the East Coast? I live in MD and might have a good spare T4 case.

[jwmorris]

Thank you for the very kind offer! I really, really appreciate it!

I am located near Columbia South Carolina, but for now I am going to try and save one or both of these cases. After the holidays, I will try to find a good machine shop within driving distance. I have several projects I hope to get to. I really need to find someone I can trust near me.

Have a Merry Christmas and a Wonderful New Year!

[jwmorris]

I picked up some parts this week. I am not sure I will be able to use most of them, but what I was really after was a good case. I picked up 2 cases. One appears usable, one has damaged to the oil tower. I picked up two cranks one is a 71 mm, that has been turned in the past and needs to be turned again. This crank has the bearing in the end of the crank. The other crank is a 66 mm stroke. It has a sleeve in the end of the crank but no roller bearings. I picked up some used pistons and barrels. Some of the barrels have broken fins. I picked up two oil pumps and 2.0-liter rods. I also picked up some core 2.0-liter heads. It appears that the engine they came from lost a rod bearing. The piston appears to have made contact with the head, the seats appear intact, but of course there are cracks around the spark plugs. Does anyone work on the heads anymore? Is it worth it to have them repaired if they have not been machined previously?

Now the question is what to build from what I have. The idea of a 2.0 liter is appealing, but I have always been intrigued by piledriver's 40 plus mile per gallon 1.7. I could possibly drop the rotating assembly from the first engine into the new case, replace the exhaust valves, and re-coat the pistons and cylinders. I could add 96 mm pistons to the 1.7 for a 1911. I could shoot for the moon and have the 2.0-liter rods and crank machined, add 96mm pistons, and a cam kit. The issue there is I believe the crank may be on the second cut already. Is it wise to consider taking .03 off the main bearing journals?

[jwmorris]

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[Ephry73]

I would love to find the old type 4 1900 I built for the Ghia back in 2003. I had peek performance clean and spec the used case and was put together quickly but the heads were built by Nick with bigger valves and flowed and had a decent hydro Web cam installed. All in my living room. The rest I just reused without polishing too much. I’d definitely build it again and run it in a Ghia or Beetle.

I had a type 1 motor that I rebuilt to “stock” using parts purchased and not mic’ed ip at all. Using stock “tolerances” and a case that I purchased in Brooklyn that had easily three cups of sand in it. Didn’t even take the oil plugs out to wash it. Reused the pistons and cylinders from the motor that threw a rod and reused the clutch and flywheel from the same motor. I don’t even think I had all of the torque figures correct.

I ran that motor for another 15k miles until my then fiancée got hit by an old lady. The reason for telling the story is that we spend so much time and money looking for the perfect parts that we forget that these motors were built with big tolerances and made to take abuses and keep rolling. Can’t wait to get back into the VWs one day soon.

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[jwmorris]

Thanks for the reply and the reminder that these cars will often run far past the point they should have quit!
Is Nick still doing head work?

[Ephry73]

Thanks for the reply and the reminder that these cars will often run far past the point they should have quit!
Is Nick still doing head work?

For sure. As far as Nick goes I haven’t heard from him in a while.


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[dstar5000]

I would love to find the old type 4 1900 I built for the Ghia back in 2003. I had peek performance clean and spec the used case and was put together quickly but the heads were built by Nick with bigger valves and followed and had a decent hydro Web cam installed. All in my living room. The rest I just reused without polishing too much. I’d definitely build it again and run it in a Ghia or Beetle.

I had a type 1 motor that I rebuilt to “stock” using parts purchased and not mic’ed ip at all. Using stock “tolerances” and a case that I purchased in Brooklyn that had easily three cups of sand in it. Didn’t even take the oil plugs out to wash it. Reused the pistons and cylinders from the motor that threw a rod and reused the clutch and flywheel from the same motor. I don’t even think I had all of the torque figures correct.

I ran that motor for another 15k miles until my then fiancée got hit by an old lady. The reason for telling the story is that we spend so much time and money looking for the perfect parts that we forget that these motors were built with big tolerances and make to take abuses and keep rolling. Can’t wait to get back into the VWs one day soon.


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[Ephry73]

I hate that I can’t edit for grammatical errors using Tapatalk lol.


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