Testing underway - AWESOME new Engine management system

MASSIVE TYPE IV · Post by **MASSIVE TYPE IV** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 8:45 pm

WOW guys!

All I can say is that this guy and his system that he has made FROM SCRATCH kick ass!

Dave showed up yesterday afternoon and every since we have all been amazed with what this system incorporates and his knowledge! He fits in quite nicely around here.... all day the dyno room and control room were running crazy anticipating the firing of the EMS on the dyno.

Fiddling with the EMS through the laptop is neat, but I can't wait to do it through a palm pilot!

We got the engine fired up today and willpost some graphs tomorrow. we have a fuel pressure regulator problem right now but that will be remedied tomorow with a better regulator.

The test engine is a 3563 TIV "Super hero" and has 12 power pulls on it with carbs and a dizzy. Now all that has been replaced with dave's system, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, and the dizzy was tossed for a direct fire system that his EMS II incorporates.

His system is so simple, so easy to work with and it uses hyperterminal to communicate with the EMS.. Its so much easier than Autrnic or SDS and has less parts and confusion.

Look for this to be added as an option on all my engines very soon! I will be installing a version of it on the 912E very soon for some hard road miles, to continue our testing with it.

I don't like the stock FI system, but man... with this EMS all the crap is removed and nothing is left but clean, simple work.. the system can be ran with individual runners, or with a 100% stock plenum and runners and even the stock sensors.

The 2270 "Roller Motor" will also incorporate this system...

Get in line boys, this is the best thing since sliced bread! Hell the engine cranked on the 3rd revolution and purred like a kitten!

FYI- This is the FIRST aftermarket EFI system that I have had good things to say about.

73notch said this · Post by **73notch said this** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:23 pm

is it something like the megasquirt setup?

Plastermaster · Post by **Plastermaster** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:30 pm

Sounds good, But about that 3563 super hero, Reminds me of that 10 lb blue gill I caught one time.

When you post the graghs It would be great to see some carb graphs for comparison.

Thanks for the good news!

Ron

Crimson_Axe · Post by **Crimson_Axe** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:47 pm

do you know of a price range for the system

raygreenwood · Post by **raygreenwood** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:42 am

Be sure it has a proper harness system or its nothing but pretty, programmable soon to be junk. Ray

MASSIVE TYPE IV · Post by **MASSIVE TYPE IV** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 5:36 am

His harnass will use all GM connectors... This is non mass produced and 100% quality. It takes alot to blow me away, but this system has done it.

He has been working on the system since the mid 1990s

Plastermaster · Post by **Plastermaster** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:35 am

I've always liked the idea of FI but, the maintainance (if there is any) is a mystery to me. Carbs I can tune and adjust. Jets can be cleaned. What do you do when EMSs do whatever they do? Say you get it all dialed in and one day it isn't running up to par. What is involved in keeping it working its best?

Ron

MASSIVE TYPE IV · Post by **MASSIVE TYPE IV** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:45 am

Thats the reason i have stayed away from EFI for so many years.... With this system there is nothing to break, its all solid state.....

EASY RIDER · Post by **EASY RIDER** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:59 am

I saw the set up and it does look amazing. Got to Jake's about 10 last night and all he kept saying is that this guy is out there. How many of us know Jake is out there. It would be a waist of time for me to meet Dave because I can't follow some of Jakes conversations about engines. I would look dumb listening to Dave talk electronic.

I've been up to Jake's a few times this year and everytime I go there is something new and amazing. The feeling I had before meeting Jake was that classic VWs must be getting to the point of no-return. My thoughts have changed!

THANK YOU to all who keep the scene alive. I've been in for 13 yrs and look forward to every year that I have with VWs.

New heads, Fuel Injection......can't I just get my engine in my car. Jake you are making the type IV engine seem like a computer, out of date before it hits the shelf.

THANKS

MASSIVE TYPE IV · Post by **MASSIVE TYPE IV** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 1:42 pm

Here are some pics hosted over at the 914 club!!

http://www.914club.com/bbs2/index.php?s ... 3830&st=20

Plastermaster · Post by **Plastermaster** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 2:44 pm

I like that distributor. It will be interesting to get the price. For those of us planning on new engines rather than an up grade, backing out the carbs and dizzie must be good for about $800. Thats a big help.

Ron

regis101 · Post by **regis101** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 4:59 pm

Is this the EMS system from the guys in Australia? I searched the web a bit...... Do we know if the GM parts are worldly or USA friendly. I need more info

MASSIVE TYPE IV · Post by **MASSIVE TYPE IV** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 5:04 pm

Nope, the builder of the system from scratch is Dave Carlson.. he is in the pics along with Brent.. He is located in Tennessee.

the system uses all easy to find parts.. We are using Ford 2300Turbo injectors, an MSD pump, and a few VW parts..

regis101 · Post by **regis101** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 5:10 pm

Yepper. Got it know. Just tried to delete my post after a visit to the 914 forum that you listed. Great news for me. I am an FI person. Thanks. I'll dig in deep for further knowledge.

MASSIVE TYPE IV · Post by **MASSIVE TYPE IV** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 5:20 pm

Dave has been working on this system since 1996! He has developed the ENTIRE program, built the ECU, and even the board inside the distributor that controls the timing... its purely amazing!