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Can Drive Soon · Post by **Can Drive Soon** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:17 pm

It was just the other day it seemed i was on LNs website, I went to got to their store and what do I find but a Pinzgauer button!

http://lnengineering.com/pinz.html

I see great potential for nickies for bug and porsche engine but I know Jake had to have a custom set for his Pinz but is there a great demand for nikasil cylinders that cost over 2 grand for a vehicle that is rarely ever heard of?

I don't know about you but if I had a pinz I's have to have a set of these, but how many performance Pinz ownrs are there?

BTW, Jake any numbers from the dyno on that nickie equipped pinz engine?

Pretty awesome cylinders if you ask me!

MASSIVE TYPE IV · Post by **MASSIVE TYPE IV** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:33 pm

It's just not heard of by certain folks... The hardcore 4X4 crowd knows that NOTHING touches the Pinzgauer! there are over 20,000 Pinzgauers running about and most of them are in the US.

LN made the Pinz cylinders directly for my engine program thats underway with the Pinz- I'm finishing up the EFI system for the Pinz now and have many more items that will increase the performance of this engine. My first test engine will utilize a 100mm bore (up from stock 92mm) and a 98mm stroke (up from 94mm stock) you can do the math on that one and remember that the engine goes in a vehicle that will haul a ton and tow 11,000 pounds, it's far from being a toy.

As for price- who cares, when things produce a result and open doors they are bought by those who appreciate them, no matter the cost.

FYI- the STOCK Pinzgauer cylinder weighs more than TWO SETS of NICKIES and costs 350 bucks per cylinder for a replacement. If costs are a concern the Pinz isn't really for you- I spent over 100 bucks on the PARTS for a brake job! The thing that I like is the fact that the brakes (shoes) I pulled off my Pinz were the ORIGINALS from 1974 and were only about 70% worn after service underwater, in the Swiss Alps and who knows where while it was doing it's military duties. The date was stamped clearly on the shoes!

The Pinz is literally an indestructible vehicle, all it needs is a more modern kick in the pants for the engine and it will be incredible.... not many 4 cylinder engines have a STOCK 94mm stroke and a crank that weighs nearly 100 pounds! With Nickies it's entirely possible that the Pinz engine would live longer than a human being, even being driven every day at near wide open throttle. The internals of this engine dwarf near everything I have ever seen shy of a Caterpillar engine from a d-10 dozer.

Here is before and after.... That cast iron cylinder is a true "Cast iron clunker"

Wally · Post by **Wally** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:27 am

Speaking of different markets for Nickies, has Charles ever considered making them for the Corvair crowd?
After all, there are 1,2 million of those made and VW-conversions have been done quite a few as well.

Sorry for the OT,
Walter

Can Drive Soon · Post by **Can Drive Soon** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:07 am

Point taken on the cost.
Looking at the cylinders, the iron one are machined flat for I would guess to fit between cylinders, but you nickie has no such work. Is that like cylinder 1 or 4 and you have that flat part turned away?

Like these bug nickies

Rescue912 · Post by **Rescue912** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:39 am

The internals of this engine dwarf near everything I have ever seen shy of a Caterpillar engine from a d-10 dozer.

Right on! I built those for a living for a long time - 3400, 3500 and 3600 Caterpillar engines. I always used to say they were bulletproof until we did a "live fire" test for the U.S. Navy. They proved me wrong

dstar · Post by **dstar** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:57 am

What's the bolt pattern on those old cast irons Jake?

Don

HAM Inc · Post by **HAM Inc** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:26 am

Those nickies look like little statues! Beautiful works of art!

The Pinz also has a fabulous cross flow, hemi head that you would never guess came off a military vehicle. These babies were made for torque!

I'm realy looking forward to the final dyno results with the nickies, E.F.I., and Jakes proprietary cam.

MASSIVE TYPE IV · Post by **MASSIVE TYPE IV** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:42 am

The stud pattern of the pinz is near exacting the TIV, just rotated 90 degrees! and the answer is YES, a Pinz head will fit onto a TIV engine, BUT since the pinz is an inline everything runs into each other on a TIV- already tried it as soon as I saw those HUGE exhaust ports..

The Nickies in the pic are not finished- they need the milling processes done, so far theyonly have the turning processes finished and they will lose more weight when they get finish bored and milled.

Charles has already made some Nickies for Corvair applications- Shad and I discussed them sub 5 years ago-

cnavarro · Post by **cnavarro** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:19 pm

The Corvair market never panned out. I gave it a shot and pulled the cylinders from our lineup after only selling one set in five years.

With the Pinz, it was refreshing to do something so different. We had to modify all our tooling and even the lathe to fit the raw billet into the lathe and took days of tinkering until I was happy. I'm sure I'll have the cylinders and pistons done before ARP has the head studs done though for me.

Charles Navarro
LN Engineering
http://www.LNengineering.com
Aircooled Precision Performance

Can Drive Soon · Post by **Can Drive Soon** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:09 pm

MASSIVE TYPE IV wrote: The Nickies in the pic are not finished- they need the milling processes done, so far theyonly have the turning processes finished and they will lose more weight when they get finish bored and milled.

Ahh they are in pretty paperweight stage

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Wally · Post by **Wally** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:57 am

cnavarro wrote:The Corvair market never panned out. I gave it a shot and pulled the cylinders from our lineup after only selling one set in five years.

Charles Navarro
LN Engineering
http://www.LNengineering.com
Aircooled Precision Performance

Thanks for the info Charles; I was wondering since I just bought a core 2,7 Corvair engine and seeing the number of enthousiasts and clubs for that car (there is even a fastvair yahoo group), I would assume it to be a pretty big market. I assumed wrong obviously.

The vair engine is very cool though! It just looks like a 6-cylinder type 4 (aluminium case and all) with Riechert horizontal cooling shroud and since the 2 extra cylinders are in the place where at the type 4 the stock cooling shroud is, its not longer or wider than a stock cooled type 4

For a type 3 or 411/412, it would fit very nicely and the weight difference with a type 4 is very small, but its lighter than a 911 engine tho (especially with nickies...)

Best regards,
Walter

HAM Inc · Post by **HAM Inc** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:11 am

I hate the corvair heads. They require extensive mods to get them to the performance level of even a stock T1, even more to match a stock T4. Crappy plug angle and it is so close to the quench area that the plug HAS to be relocated to raise the compression with flat tops. And don't even get me started about the intake arrangement!

I looked at that market a few years ago and found it to be mostly a bunch of tight-wads. A few that wanted there cars to go, but most just wanted show.

Stripped66 · Post by **Stripped66** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:08 pm

My grandfather's neighbor is hanging on to an old Corvair to potentially try a SBC conversion.

Which is kinda odd since he owns a Viper coupe, a N/A Pantera, and a twin-turbo'd Pantera

Can Drive Soon · Post by **Can Drive Soon** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:35 pm

It not all just the HP, its hp vs. weight which the Beetle is great for and I would imagine that the corvir is somewhat lighter than you average camaro. Its like the Ariel atom. only 300 hp but that more hp to a pound than an Ezno Ferrari and the acceleration shows it. If you can shift fast enough you can hit60 mph in 2.9 seconds.