Type 4 Python exhaust

Wally · Post by **Wally** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:15 pm

Did you guys realize there is now a 'python' exhaust from CSP for the type 4?

Its full stainless, 3 sizes, different cones, both types of exhaust ports and works with stubbies

Looks like they thought of everything.
Therefore not 'cheap', but seems really high quality (which we like right?)

NextGen · Post by **NextGen** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:26 am

Looks like very well made but we are talking well over $1000 with shipping.

The only thing I do not like besides the price is the side under the fender muffler. Not only for the looks but also it gets in the way of the right head.

mikeG15 · Post by **mikeG15** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:35 am

Wally
I needed a good quality sidewinder for my car and the very high cost of Type 4 systems in Europe was the reason I was able to justify a set of E-plus heads so I could use a Type 1 A1 instead at half the price.

Clatter · Post by **Clatter** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:52 am

'Well over $1000..'

Right now I'm saving up the $2100 or so it will take for the right exhaust from Tangerine Racing.

$1167 to $1292 (Before shipping) Seems like a bargain.

Would really, really like to see Jake run his tests on this one...

Who knows, maybe it would end up costing the same $2K by the time you got it all decked out with everything and shipped over, make bad power, and crack from vibration....

Only time will tell....
Sooo who wants to buy one and do some back-to-back dyno runs, and some long-term durability testing???

NextGen · Post by **NextGen** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:25 pm

Clatter, it depends on what you are building. Sure if you spend a lot of money building an high performance engine you have to put on an exhaust the will give every bit of power you expect from the engine.

In general most guys see that as expensive if they run a little more then stock.

type3 · Post by **type3** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 2:50 am

Very nice exhaust by the look of it.

66 deluxe · Post by **66 deluxe** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:33 pm

I built a 1911cc type 4 for my friends oval and he has installed one of these exhausts he loves it, it fit perfect, sounds great and he got it to Australia for around $1600.

Wally · Post by **Wally** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:03 am

I have seen the stub-pipes (and the rest of this exhaust system) in person at EBI-3 this summer where CSP had a booth with their (new) products: very nicely build.
Its a high quality product for sure and stainless!!
Would be interesting to know/see how it would do performance wise.

slowtwitch · Post by **slowtwitch** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:48 am

Any thought's on A1's setup???

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/ ... ?id=782280

Clatter · Post by **Clatter** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:02 am

Jake tested the A-1 and liked it very much.
It made more power than all but the Tangerine, and it was close.

That being said, it was not the "sidewinder" version, but the regular straight collector variety.
The sidewinder had a tubing length that was less than ideal...

it all depends on your application, tho, as always.

Great to hear someone with real experience with the CSP one...
Now, if they would just start selling a T4 into T3 version!

Post by **doc** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:25 pm

Just one novice's opinion, but.....

Way too high priced - as are all the rest of the decent systems. I paid about $800 for my A-1 here in the States.

There is just no way that material and labor add up to anywhere near where these systems are being priced. I always think of it as the #1 deterrent to the T4 cause. Low volume = high price = low volume. A vicious circle.

doc

Wally · Post by **Wally** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:38 pm

doc wrote:Just one novice's opinion, but.....

Way too high priced - as are all the rest of the decent systems. I paid about $800 for my A-1 here in the States.

Was yours made entirely from stainless steel Doc?

There you go

Post by **doc** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:54 pm

Mine is stainless and coated. I have yet to run it, but it looks great and was a 1 hour job to install. But, at the end of the day, just bent tubing and some first rate welding.

Obviously, A1 doesn't make many of these up in advance, since you have to wait (usually) to get one. That would seem to indicate very low volume.

It remains a constant topic here and many other boards, which seems to indicate there is some demand. Hmm?

I'm just a cheap old guy who can't help but wonder why we are paying way more than anybody else in the hot rod business?

Jake tried to make the "econo header" go a few years ago and after much talk and interest dropped the project. His final price wasn't very much better than what was available at the time. That may have been the deal breaker. Or, perhaps, there is something about the cost structure that I don't understand - quite possible.

Anyway, I just like to throw my 2 cents into a thread with you experts once in a while. Makes me feel like I can spend another $800 on something!!

doc

Wally · Post by **Wally** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:04 pm

My mistake Doc, I thought A1 only made ceramic coated ones. Good one them!
I always found it a major pity that the tangerine products were not possible to get in stainless, yet cost over twice your A1.
This must mean price is not just a reflection of material cost and labor hours, but also pays for the R&D that went into it (or not).

craigvwdude · Post by **craigvwdude** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:22 am

I agree with Doc.
This stuff is way over priced. No reason it should be that expensive.
A grand or better for a couple more hp than an other product, crazy.