GOING IN DEEP
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JUSSUMGUY
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Great job! Love the flat paint!
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Skidmark
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If I brought a towel to prevent my drool from getting on your car, could you let some of other OC'ers meet up somewhere with you? Maybe drive it to a SoCal Bajas meeting in Walnut sometime? Would LOVE to see this car in person sometime!
"Your car sounds angry, and it wants to go fast all the time..."
(quote from my daughter, after driving my car)
It's not complicated, it's just expensive...
(quote from my daughter, after driving my car)
It's not complicated, it's just expensive...
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KBWAKESK8
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I second that.Skidmark wrote:If I brought a towel to prevent my drool from getting on your car, could you let some of other OC'ers meet up somewhere with you? Maybe drive it to a SoCal Bajas meeting in Walnut sometime? Would LOVE to see this car in person sometime!
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Chillinintheoc
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ALL I CAN SAY IS HOLLLLLY S H I T......The buggie is sicking FAST.......This new LNF motor has some huge BALLLLLS!!!!!!!!!!!! 
We cruised it around the neighborhood last night and the thing had so much power it was NUTS…..So much fun…my buddy has an Offroad car with a V8 and he said this thing pulls as hard as his car.
We only got to drive it around the block once, because the fans to the radiator kick on and we wanted to see if the water in the radiator was getting hot so we grab the water lines going to the radiator and they were cold…..so the water is not circulating…there must be air in water lines somewhere, we tried to get all the air out last night but no luck……Anyone know any tricks to remove all the air from the water lines?
ts39136
Yes the LNF has "cam-driven high-pressure gasoline direct injection fuel system" and I got the ECU and the wiring harness from “CBM” Custom Built Motors. They are one of the only guy sthat have figured out how to make this LNF direct injection motor a stand a-lone motor……And let me tell you after the drive last night in the buggie I’M VERY INPRESSED...On the 18th I'm going to take it up to CBM and they are going to put it on the DYNO and get her all tuned in
CentralWAbaja
Take a look on Page 25 I posted so photos of the frontend…those are the only ones I have right now
Skidmark
Hell yes buddy…he can hook up.
Let me work all the bugs out of it and we can hookup
I live down by VEE DUB parts in Huntington Beach…would you guys be able to do one of your meeting down this way?
We cruised it around the neighborhood last night and the thing had so much power it was NUTS…..So much fun…my buddy has an Offroad car with a V8 and he said this thing pulls as hard as his car.
We only got to drive it around the block once, because the fans to the radiator kick on and we wanted to see if the water in the radiator was getting hot so we grab the water lines going to the radiator and they were cold…..so the water is not circulating…there must be air in water lines somewhere, we tried to get all the air out last night but no luck……Anyone know any tricks to remove all the air from the water lines?
ts39136
Yes the LNF has "cam-driven high-pressure gasoline direct injection fuel system" and I got the ECU and the wiring harness from “CBM” Custom Built Motors. They are one of the only guy sthat have figured out how to make this LNF direct injection motor a stand a-lone motor……And let me tell you after the drive last night in the buggie I’M VERY INPRESSED...On the 18th I'm going to take it up to CBM and they are going to put it on the DYNO and get her all tuned in
CentralWAbaja
Take a look on Page 25 I posted so photos of the frontend…those are the only ones I have right now
Skidmark
Hell yes buddy…he can hook up.
Let me work all the bugs out of it and we can hookup
I live down by VEE DUB parts in Huntington Beach…would you guys be able to do one of your meeting down this way?
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Ol'fogasaurus
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"there must be air in water lines somewhere, we tried to get all the air out last night but no luck……Anyone know any tricks to remove all the air from the water lines?"
The old trick on this was to find a hill, a fairly long steep hill (if you live in some flat states I am not sure how to do this other than make your own or use a jack to do the four corner lift) and drive up the hill, down it and across it in both directions (driver's side up, druver's side down). Some cars get air in the system (such as my wife's old '86 Toyota) very easily and they have to be "burped" when you change antifreeze. We had a very steep hill by us that we used but every time we went through the intersection we had to stop and politely say “excuse us”; even then we got some sideways glances and a hanky or two would come out to cover the nose... just-in-case.
I would suspect that laying the radiator flat could cause you to have one of those holding air in the system problems. Do you have a surge tank on it with the upper hose going into it (I almost forgot, it has to be higher than the radiator and the engine block. Check with a radiator shop on this); it might help some but you also may end up having to do this once in a while especially if you rev’ed the motor up enough to cause the water pump to cavatate (sp).
The only other option I see could be replacing the stock water pump with an electric version... assuming they are made or one can be adapted.
Lee
My opinion is worth slightly less than you paid for it.
I also seem to remember (this was a long time ago and for me a long time ago was when I was young) that people did put a valve in one or more of the soft plugs to allow air trapped in the system to be removed enough for the rest of the system to be normally blead of air. I seem to remember the older mechanics that I knw saying that this was a problem with some engine designs or mounting (angle) problems.
The old trick on this was to find a hill, a fairly long steep hill (if you live in some flat states I am not sure how to do this other than make your own or use a jack to do the four corner lift) and drive up the hill, down it and across it in both directions (driver's side up, druver's side down). Some cars get air in the system (such as my wife's old '86 Toyota) very easily and they have to be "burped" when you change antifreeze. We had a very steep hill by us that we used but every time we went through the intersection we had to stop and politely say “excuse us”; even then we got some sideways glances and a hanky or two would come out to cover the nose... just-in-case.
I would suspect that laying the radiator flat could cause you to have one of those holding air in the system problems. Do you have a surge tank on it with the upper hose going into it (I almost forgot, it has to be higher than the radiator and the engine block. Check with a radiator shop on this); it might help some but you also may end up having to do this once in a while especially if you rev’ed the motor up enough to cause the water pump to cavatate (sp).
The only other option I see could be replacing the stock water pump with an electric version... assuming they are made or one can be adapted.
Lee
My opinion is worth slightly less than you paid for it.
I also seem to remember (this was a long time ago and for me a long time ago was when I was young) that people did put a valve in one or more of the soft plugs to allow air trapped in the system to be removed enough for the rest of the system to be normally blead of air. I seem to remember the older mechanics that I knw saying that this was a problem with some engine designs or mounting (angle) problems.
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KBWAKESK8
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Im setting my car up like yours with radiator up front. I plan in making an air bleed tub at the motor and one at the radiator
they consist of a ball valve i can hook a tub to and run high like a sight glass when it stops bubbling i plan to close the valve and remove the tube.
At least thats my idea on paper.
they consist of a ball valve i can hook a tub to and run high like a sight glass when it stops bubbling i plan to close the valve and remove the tube.
At least thats my idea on paper.
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CentralWAbaja
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C'mon you know me better than that. I want to see hood on, holes patched, bodywork done and paintedChillinintheoc wrote:
CentralWAbaja
Take a look on Page 25 I posted so photos of the frontend…those are the only ones I have right now
Actually, just glad to see some updates
It is not Mickey Moused.....It's Desert Engineered!
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Chillinintheoc
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CentralWAbaja wrote:C'mon you know me better than that. I want to see hood on, holes patched, bodywork done and paintedChillinintheoc wrote:
CentralWAbaja
Take a look on Page 25 I posted so photos of the frontend…those are the only ones I have right now
Actually, just glad to see some updates
hehehehe...sorry buddy
No holes are patched and the bodywork and painted is not done yet
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motorbreath53
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560
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When you get it patched up and painted is there going to be another photo shoot for the magazine? That would be too cool to see...
Mike
Mike
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560
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Skidmark
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some light reading...
http://www.gmroadster.com/index.php?opt ... &Itemid=55
From wikipedia:
2.0
LNF
Ecotec LNF in a Pontiac Solstice
A turbocharged direct injected (redubbed Spark Ignition Direct Injection) Ecotec was introduced in the 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP and Saturn Sky Red Line. In these applications, the engine is mounted longitudinally. Displacement is 2.0 L—1,998 cc (121.9 cu in)—with a square 86 millimetres (3.4 in) bore and stroke. Compression is 9.2:1 and maximum boost is 1.4 bar (20.0 psi), delivering 260 hp (190 kW) at 5300 rpm and 260 lb·ft (350 N·m) of torque from 2500 to 5250 rpm. Engine redline is at 6300 rpm and premium fuel is recommended. The sodium filled exhaust valves were based on technology developed for the Corvette V8 powertrains. The sodium fuses and becomes a liquid at idle, which improves conductivity and draws heat away from the valve face and valve guide towards the stem to be cooled by the engine oil circulating in this area. The camshaft-driven direct injection systems pressurizes the fuel to 31 bar (450 psi) at idle, and up to 155 bar (2,250 psi) at wide-open throttle. The "Gen II" block is similar to the 2.4 L and also features VVT technology. The Gen II block was developed using data from racing programs and computer simulations. The bore walls and bulkheads were strengthened with a weight increase of 1 kg (2.5 pounds). The coolant jackets were expanded to improve heat transfer, resulting in a coolant capacity increase of 0.5 liters.
In December 2008, GM released a Turbo Upgrade Kit for the LNF engine which increases horsepower to 290 hp and torque to up to 340 lb.-ft, depending on the model. The kit retails for $650 and includes remapped engine calibration and upgraded MAP sensors. The kit is covered by the cars' existing GM warranties.[4]
Unique LNF features[5] include:
a twin-scroll turbocharger
cam-driven high-pressure gasoline direct injection fuel system
dual camshaft continuously variable valve timing
sodium-filled stainless steel Inconel exhaust valves
low-friction cast aluminum pistons with oil squirters
forged steel crankshaft
forged steel connecting rods
cast stainless steel exhaust manifold
This engine is used in:
Year(s) Model Power Torque
2007–2009 Opel GT 260 hp (190 kW) @ 5300 rpm 260 lb·ft (353 N·m) @ 2000 rpm
2007–2009 Pontiac Solstice GXP 260 hp (190 kW) @ 5300 rpm 260 lb·ft (353 N·m) @ 2000 rpm
2007–2009 Saturn Sky Red Line 260 hp (190 kW) @ 5300 rpm 260 lb·ft (353 N·m) @ 2000 rpm
2008–2010 Chevrolet HHR SS 260 hp (190 kW) @ 5300 rpm 260 lb·ft (353 N·m) @ 2000 rpm
2008–2010 Chevrolet Cobalt SS 260 hp (190 kW) @ 5300 rpm 260 lb·ft (353 N·m) @ 2000 rpm
2009 Elfin T5 264 hp (197 kW) @ 5300 rpm 259 lb·ft (351 N·m) @ 2000 rpm
2012 Fisker Karma 260 hp (190 kW) @ 5300 rpm 260 lb·ft (353 N·m) @ 2000 rpm
http://www.gmroadster.com/index.php?opt ... &Itemid=55
From wikipedia:
2.0
LNF
Ecotec LNF in a Pontiac Solstice
A turbocharged direct injected (redubbed Spark Ignition Direct Injection) Ecotec was introduced in the 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP and Saturn Sky Red Line. In these applications, the engine is mounted longitudinally. Displacement is 2.0 L—1,998 cc (121.9 cu in)—with a square 86 millimetres (3.4 in) bore and stroke. Compression is 9.2:1 and maximum boost is 1.4 bar (20.0 psi), delivering 260 hp (190 kW) at 5300 rpm and 260 lb·ft (350 N·m) of torque from 2500 to 5250 rpm. Engine redline is at 6300 rpm and premium fuel is recommended. The sodium filled exhaust valves were based on technology developed for the Corvette V8 powertrains. The sodium fuses and becomes a liquid at idle, which improves conductivity and draws heat away from the valve face and valve guide towards the stem to be cooled by the engine oil circulating in this area. The camshaft-driven direct injection systems pressurizes the fuel to 31 bar (450 psi) at idle, and up to 155 bar (2,250 psi) at wide-open throttle. The "Gen II" block is similar to the 2.4 L and also features VVT technology. The Gen II block was developed using data from racing programs and computer simulations. The bore walls and bulkheads were strengthened with a weight increase of 1 kg (2.5 pounds). The coolant jackets were expanded to improve heat transfer, resulting in a coolant capacity increase of 0.5 liters.
In December 2008, GM released a Turbo Upgrade Kit for the LNF engine which increases horsepower to 290 hp and torque to up to 340 lb.-ft, depending on the model. The kit retails for $650 and includes remapped engine calibration and upgraded MAP sensors. The kit is covered by the cars' existing GM warranties.[4]
Unique LNF features[5] include:
a twin-scroll turbocharger
cam-driven high-pressure gasoline direct injection fuel system
dual camshaft continuously variable valve timing
sodium-filled stainless steel Inconel exhaust valves
low-friction cast aluminum pistons with oil squirters
forged steel crankshaft
forged steel connecting rods
cast stainless steel exhaust manifold
This engine is used in:
Year(s) Model Power Torque
2007–2009 Opel GT 260 hp (190 kW) @ 5300 rpm 260 lb·ft (353 N·m) @ 2000 rpm
2007–2009 Pontiac Solstice GXP 260 hp (190 kW) @ 5300 rpm 260 lb·ft (353 N·m) @ 2000 rpm
2007–2009 Saturn Sky Red Line 260 hp (190 kW) @ 5300 rpm 260 lb·ft (353 N·m) @ 2000 rpm
2008–2010 Chevrolet HHR SS 260 hp (190 kW) @ 5300 rpm 260 lb·ft (353 N·m) @ 2000 rpm
2008–2010 Chevrolet Cobalt SS 260 hp (190 kW) @ 5300 rpm 260 lb·ft (353 N·m) @ 2000 rpm
2009 Elfin T5 264 hp (197 kW) @ 5300 rpm 259 lb·ft (351 N·m) @ 2000 rpm
2012 Fisker Karma 260 hp (190 kW) @ 5300 rpm 260 lb·ft (353 N·m) @ 2000 rpm
"Your car sounds angry, and it wants to go fast all the time..."
(quote from my daughter, after driving my car)
It's not complicated, it's just expensive...
(quote from my daughter, after driving my car)
It's not complicated, it's just expensive...
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560
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Thanks for the info Skid, that series engine has become really popular and for people on the outside looking in it is hard to keep up with what is going on.
Mike
Mike
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jt1967
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Car looks amazing great job
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Chillinintheoc
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Hey 560,
Hot VW/Sand Sport magazine Headquarters is just down the street from me, and the Editor wants to go for a ride once she is done….but not sure if they are going to do anything for the magazine…but will see.
That would be cool if they did.
And, I talk to CBM about the water follow and they told me to take the thermostat out of the motor and jack the back of the car up as high as I can and then refill it with antifreeze/water…..and BINGO…That fixed the problem….she is not following.
Hot VW/Sand Sport magazine Headquarters is just down the street from me, and the Editor wants to go for a ride once she is done….but not sure if they are going to do anything for the magazine…but will see.
That would be cool if they did.
And, I talk to CBM about the water follow and they told me to take the thermostat out of the motor and jack the back of the car up as high as I can and then refill it with antifreeze/water…..and BINGO…That fixed the problem….she is not following.