<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BergRace:
<B>Whats "LOL" regarding the German springs Marty?
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Evaluation.
Just a joke.
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jasonb
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MOOREPARTSOURCE:
What I CAN say is we`re utilizing 67 lb/hr. injectors driving them right up to 80%. It should at the least give some idea of what to expect. Also, Bill Shaws` `59 (the test bed) already has the "RS" non-intercooled unit installed. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Can you give us a sneak peak of what the cost will be for the RS or RSR kits?
What I CAN say is we`re utilizing 67 lb/hr. injectors driving them right up to 80%. It should at the least give some idea of what to expect. Also, Bill Shaws` `59 (the test bed) already has the "RS" non-intercooled unit installed. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Can you give us a sneak peak of what the cost will be for the RS or RSR kits?
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Airkuld67
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This is kind of off topic but no one can seem to answer my question......
I have the CB044s with the CB port and polish job. These are not the CNC heads, they were hand ported by/for CB. They were bought about three months ago. Who ported these heads? Did CB have someone on staff or did they contract them out? I'm trying to put a name to the person who did them, that's all.
Also, I've been told you can't get these heads anymore with the introduction of CNC models filling the void. Is this true?
I have the CB044s with the CB port and polish job. These are not the CNC heads, they were hand ported by/for CB. They were bought about three months ago. Who ported these heads? Did CB have someone on staff or did they contract them out? I'm trying to put a name to the person who did them, that's all.
Also, I've been told you can't get these heads anymore with the introduction of CNC models filling the void. Is this true?
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Airkuld67:
<B>This is kind of off topic but no one can seem to answer my question......
I have the CB044s with the CB port and polish job. These are not the CNC heads, they were hand ported by/for CB. They were bought about three months ago. Who ported these heads? Did CB have someone on staff or did they contract them out? I'm trying to put a name to the person who did them, that's all.
Also, I've been told you can't get these heads anymore with the introduction of CNC models filling the void. Is this true?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I would call Pat Downs. Your question will be answered in 10 seconds.
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Marty Staggs
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<B>This is kind of off topic but no one can seem to answer my question......
I have the CB044s with the CB port and polish job. These are not the CNC heads, they were hand ported by/for CB. They were bought about three months ago. Who ported these heads? Did CB have someone on staff or did they contract them out? I'm trying to put a name to the person who did them, that's all.
Also, I've been told you can't get these heads anymore with the introduction of CNC models filling the void. Is this true?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I would call Pat Downs. Your question will be answered in 10 seconds.
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Airkuld67
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Thanks Marty, consider it done!
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jasonb:
Can you give us a sneak peak of what the cost will be for the RS or RSR kits?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hi Jasonb,
Our current line up does NOT include individual components or kits. We`re sorting out the details pertaining to kit "packages" for those who already have a portion of the components required for a successful conversion. These should be available by summer `03. They will be VERY comprehensive with detailed illustrations as well as specifications pertaining to case modifications to be carried out by your favorite machine shop. These procedures MUST be STRICTLY adhered to in order to for the conversion to be both effective and reliable.
Among MANY other items, will be included, a FULL engine management system ( crank triggered fuel/ignition ) pre-programmed, requiring NO end user input. This design criteria in itself, demands compliance of the purchasers existing components if they are to be utilized. These "retrofit" systems will be available ONLY for those with 78 X 90.5 or 84 X 94 configurations. NO EXCEPTIONS!. The pricing on these "retrosystems" has yet to be determined based on pending evaluation of exactly which items will be included. The current price on the 2027cc type "RS" powerplant is $10,699. The type "RSR" 2332cc intercooled unit $13,799. These are plug and play motors. We feel the cost, though admittedly far from "cheap", represent a value. Consider any "premier" normally aspirated motor, the costs involved vs. power-per-dollar invested and a realistic, objective picture is realized. Also, though no warranty expressed or implied is given, we DO offer a "good faith" guarantee. IF ANY failure is reported within the first 6 months we will, based on our evaluation perform required repairs free of charge...These motors, will find acceptance in the off road/sand rail community at a higher % of sales. Therefore, they are also available in rear and mid engine configurations.
Joe
Can you give us a sneak peak of what the cost will be for the RS or RSR kits?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hi Jasonb,
Our current line up does NOT include individual components or kits. We`re sorting out the details pertaining to kit "packages" for those who already have a portion of the components required for a successful conversion. These should be available by summer `03. They will be VERY comprehensive with detailed illustrations as well as specifications pertaining to case modifications to be carried out by your favorite machine shop. These procedures MUST be STRICTLY adhered to in order to for the conversion to be both effective and reliable.
Among MANY other items, will be included, a FULL engine management system ( crank triggered fuel/ignition ) pre-programmed, requiring NO end user input. This design criteria in itself, demands compliance of the purchasers existing components if they are to be utilized. These "retrofit" systems will be available ONLY for those with 78 X 90.5 or 84 X 94 configurations. NO EXCEPTIONS!. The pricing on these "retrosystems" has yet to be determined based on pending evaluation of exactly which items will be included. The current price on the 2027cc type "RS" powerplant is $10,699. The type "RSR" 2332cc intercooled unit $13,799. These are plug and play motors. We feel the cost, though admittedly far from "cheap", represent a value. Consider any "premier" normally aspirated motor, the costs involved vs. power-per-dollar invested and a realistic, objective picture is realized. Also, though no warranty expressed or implied is given, we DO offer a "good faith" guarantee. IF ANY failure is reported within the first 6 months we will, based on our evaluation perform required repairs free of charge...These motors, will find acceptance in the off road/sand rail community at a higher % of sales. Therefore, they are also available in rear and mid engine configurations.
Joe
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Those prices are totally inline with what it would cost for an engine similar from my establishment,dynoed and ready to drop in...I think they will be a hit, especially for the sandrail guys..
I won't do but one engine like that per year, I could do more as I get inquiries all the time, but I turn down more work of that caliber than I do......An engine like that is no laughing matter, drop the dimes now or later, play hard or bite the dust.
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I won't do but one engine like that per year, I could do more as I get inquiries all the time, but I turn down more work of that caliber than I do......An engine like that is no laughing matter, drop the dimes now or later, play hard or bite the dust.
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Jake Raby
Raby's Aircooled Technology
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Hey Muffler Mike-
This wouldn't happen to be the guy that had the red turbo car that shared the cover with you a few years back, would it? I still owe you for that launch while I was getting cussed out by the Irwindale Speedway officials that fateful day-
Obviously, they forgot who I was, because they let me back onto the property for Drag Day 2-
Got Bread? arg arg arg ;=)
This wouldn't happen to be the guy that had the red turbo car that shared the cover with you a few years back, would it? I still owe you for that launch while I was getting cussed out by the Irwindale Speedway officials that fateful day-
Obviously, they forgot who I was, because they let me back onto the property for Drag Day 2-
Got Bread? arg arg arg ;=)
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Carl, you are correct, but the problem is mapping the hundreds of "points" necessary for the ports and chamber; that takes a LOT of time. They, when mapped, stay within .002" of the original, supplied-to- Direct Motion, hand-done port. Once that's done, yes, it's a simple matter of chucking the head on the CNC machine, sticking the desired port and chamber configuration into the computer, pushing the "start" button, and waiting for the buzzer to ring. I've watched the process at Direct Motion, and the port and chamber job take a little less than an hour to accomplish. Still, though, the time (which = money) comes in the mapping of your particular port and chamber. If you have a port you would like Direct Motion to copy, sure, they can do that, but be prepared for some time and expense to get the "first run" head in your hot, grimy hands. For a one-off set of heads, it probably wouldn't be worth it. But for what CB does, literally hundreds of heads ( Rick Tomlinson of CB Performance should be there today dropping off another 100 sets), it decreases the time needed to do a P&P, and comes very, very close to rivaling a "hand job", and at a significantly smaller price than said, comparable, hand-done, heads.
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Well, looking at your engine in HVW's, it's just a matter of figuring out who in my family I can sell on the black market that's worth that kind of money.