This guy should have bought a Pinz not an H2!

MASSIVE TYPE IV · Post by **MASSIVE TYPE IV** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:00 pm

His toy broke.. Now mommy has to foot the bill.

Some Engineer at GM should have let a farmer design those tie rods!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 3790349356

I would have gladly hauled him out of the woods..

Class 11 streeter · Post by **Class 11 streeter** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:29 pm

Unbelievable................even an OG military hummer is built better than that...............I guess the H2 is meant for looking good on the dealership lot instead of going over a few little stones, I could have taken my old Baja over that stuff!

gaston · Post by **gaston** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 2:07 pm

Or a Mercedes/Puch G Modell. Built for all terrain.
An all terrain vehicle would be a:
1. Mercedes G (out of production)
2. Mercedes Unimog
3. Volvo Lapplander
4. Toyota Landcruiser

Hummers are just a joke. Heavy in weight. Fuel consumption is a nightmare. Technic is out of date.
In the next town there's a US car dealer (imports car by self). Hummers are allways in stock - the same over month. No one wants to buy this cars anymore. The time is over (Switzerland/Germany).

Just read a couple of days ago that SUVs sales drope for GM by 1/5. Fuel is to expensive for US people (and the price per gallon/liter is much lower in the US).

Oliver

MASSIVE TYPE IV · Post by **MASSIVE TYPE IV** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 2:19 pm

Yep, my next toy WILL BE an early 80s Diesel Mercedes Gelandewagen military surplus from Austria!!

A local guy gets them from time to time.. It sucks that they are watercooled, but the diesel makes up for it!
G-Wagens ROCK!

66 deluxe · Post by **66 deluxe** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:32 pm

Hummers what a POS, there is a goverment auction yard down the road from me with about 5 or 6 hummers in there, the government bought them to patrol the prisons here and they just keep breaking down and were too expensive to fix, they ended up getting some Land Rover Defenders i believe, now there's a real Four Wheel Drive, my brother had one with the Tdi turbo diesel went everywhere, then he bought a Nissan Patrol, now there's another POS. I would like to get a Pinz Jake but they are rare as rocking horse s#$% here. Cheers Damien.

gaston · Post by **gaston** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:18 am

Jake.

The G modells located in Austria are Steyr-Puch labeled, also the army Gs for swiss army. All other Gs are Mercedes labeled. The first modells before the facelift has the OM61x engines installed. With the facelift they got the much better OM60x engines. You musst take a autotrans G (better climbing). I would suggest a G300D (OM603 engine code).

The G is assembleede at Steyr-Puch in Austria. The 4wd technic comes from them. All diffs are selectable blockable. Thats the big different to the other in the market. The G is not really comfortable, fast or economical. Take the G as the car is.
AMG (a german tuner) has build a G with a V8 from the S-class - limited to 200 km/h

The G is often used to pull big boats. In europe (small different on the countries) you're allowed to pull a weight depending on the weight of the car and you're getting an extra kilo limit with 4wd. So the G is the puller in the long version.

Have fun with the G.

Oliver

Kelley · Post by **Kelley** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:56 pm

MASSIVE TYPE IV wrote:Yep, my next toy WILL BE an early 80s Diesel Mercedes Gelandewagen military surplus from Austria!!

A local guy gets them from time to time.. It sucks that they are watercooled, but the diesel makes up for it!
G-Wagens ROCK!

You gonna go biodiesel for that?

BergRace · Post by **BergRace** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 5:16 pm

MASSIVE TYPE IV wrote:Yep, my next toy WILL BE an early 80s Diesel Mercedes Gelandewagen military surplus from Austria!!

A local guy gets them from time to time.. It sucks that they are watercooled, but the diesel makes up for it!
G-Wagens ROCK!

Take a look here: http://www.zztosh.de/volvo.html
We had these in the Norwegian Army allong with Mercedes G and Landrovers.
It would drive in circles around them in the snow, and that is without diff brakes! A truly amazing vehicle, I have never tried a Pinzgauer, but I suspect they are similar.

J.

aircooledtechguy · Post by **aircooledtechguy** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 6:32 pm

Is Hummer makin' those tie rods out of Waterford lead crystal!! Jeez, I would be afraid to hit a pot hole on pavement with one of those ugly POS's

Kafer_Mike · Post by **Kafer_Mike** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 7:27 pm

Yup. The H2/H4 is nothing more than a GM pickup chassis with a "Hummer-like" body.

The H1 Hummers are the real deal...

farmer · Post by **farmer** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:36 am

WRT the Hummer.
GM (or whoever it is making them) also thought that the were about to take over Paris Dakar a couple of seasons back. - Come to think of it, more like about 5.
Anyway, they brought 2. none of them completed. They both broke down before they were halfway through the race. They were also too heavy for that kind of racing. - Its difficult to control 2½ ton at 110 mph in the sand.

We havent seen them since then.
T

MASSIVE TYPE IV · Post by **MASSIVE TYPE IV** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:50 am

farmer wrote:WRT the Hummer.
GM (or whoever it is making them) also thought that the were about to take over Paris Dakar a couple of seasons back. - Come to think of it, more like about 5.
Anyway, they brought 2. none of them completed. They both broke down before they were halfway through the race. They were also too heavy for that kind of racing. - Its difficult to control 2½ ton at 110 mph in the sand. We havent seen them since then.
T

The old H1s were OK machines, much heavier duty than these new rides that wannabees drive to look cool..

I drove the H1s when I was a Marine and even completed a tactical driving course with one on the beach in San Diego. That course was great as we got to beat the piss out of them, jump them and go through sand traps at wide open throttle..

The thing I didn't like about them was you can't really see the terrain you are tackling, unlike the Pinz that puts you right on top of the terrain so you can peer down directly onto it.. I also didn't like their cheesy way of diff locking where you have to rest your foot on the brake to lock up the diffs..

I prefer the Pinz manual method of diff locking over this method, lights pop up on the control panel telling me that a particular diff is locked or that I'm in 4X4..

j-bro · Post by **j-bro** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:23 pm

MASSIVE TYPE IV wrote:unlike the Pinz that puts you right on top of the terrain so you can peer down directly onto it..

Sounds a-lot like a bus.

I've gone over stuff similar to that video in both busses and my squareback and never broke anything.
As a general rule I either bottomed out, lost traction or got through. Didn't really worry about breaking tie rods though.

I'd also bet my square burns less fuel in 1st gear on those trails than the H2 does at highway cruize speed.

svenakela · Post by **svenakela** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:41 pm

BergRace wrote:
Take a look here: http://www.zztosh.de/volvo.html
We had these in the Norwegian Army allong with Mercedes G and Landrovers.
It would drive in circles around them in the snow, and that is without diff brakes! A truly amazing vehicle, I have never tried a Pinzgauer, but I suspect they are similar.

J.

Funny you call 'em "Lapplander", as we Swedes call 'em "Puppets".

It's an amazing truck. It doesn't run fast, but you can run it anywhere. Unfortenately they are getting rare nowadays, even here.

jonas_linder · Post by **jonas_linder** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 4:40 am

svenakela wrote:
BergRace wrote:
Take a look here: http://www.zztosh.de/volvo.html
We had these in the Norwegian Army allong with Mercedes G and Landrovers.
It would drive in circles around them in the snow, and that is without diff brakes! A truly amazing vehicle, I have never tried a Pinzgauer, but I suspect they are similar.

J.
Funny you call 'em "Lapplander", as we Swedes call 'em "Puppets".
It's an amazing truck. It doesn't run fast, but you can run it anywhere. Unfortenately they are getting rare nowadays, even here.

Talking about the c202.. the 303 is even better I drove one when I did my military service!

In -83 they competed in paris dakar and came first in their class (trucks up to 10 ton), 2placed of all trucks and 20 overall

But the winner that year drove a MB g-wagen