1960-61 Beetle horn assembly hell made simple

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1960-61 Beetle horn assembly hell made simple

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Hello to all.
My name is Doug...and yes, I have a bug.
Actually I have been working on a complete body off restoration of a 1960 sedan for my wife for the last three and a half years. I have been lurking around thesamba.com for some time and recently posted this "how-to" thread regarding the "interestingly engineered" horn system that plagues the 60-61 beetle.

Yesterday, samba member RSA204 asked if I could post it here in the electrical forum and I said I'd be happy to, so here it is. I hope somebody finds it useful.

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So…you removed your steering wheel and took it apart for whatever reason, and now you find yourself looking at this and scratching your head…
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Well, I did the same thing, and I could not find ALL the information I needed by searching the forums. What i did find, however,
was that several others, at one time or another, had the same questions I did, but were not finding the help they needed,
so I thought I'd try to shed some light on the subject of the 60-61 horn issue.
First off, let me say that this is NOT a difficult system. A tad bit over engineered...yes. But by no means is it rocket science.
This is what I did, and my horn works perfectly. I hope that the following step-by-step series of photos will be helpful to someone.
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:IMPORTANT: When installing the steering wheel, slide it onto the shaft until the splines engage, then, BEFORE pushing it all the way down, rotate the wheel 90 degrees either way, then push it on all the way. If you don't do this you could bend the tab on the canceling mechanism. How do I know this you ask? Well...some things in life we have to learn the hard way.
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Make sure the brown wire that attaches to the end of the steering column tube, under the fuel tank, has a good, clean connection.
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Here's a very basic explanation of how it all works, but first, please understand I'm not an electrician, and I couldn't tell you the difference between wattage, voltage, current and all that stuff, and I'm quite sure there's a better way to explain this so please bear with me and my simplicity.


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The brass contact ring with the partial cutout sits on top of the contact spring, which sits in a collar (spring seat), which sits in the bearing that is pressed into the end of the steering column tube. This whole assembly is actually part of the electrical circuit and is isolated from the steering column by a black plastic sleeve. If this sleeve has a spot worn through to the metal, which they often do, your horn will beep intermittently as the steering wheel is turned. "ANNOYING"

Current flows through the steering column tube, the bearing, the spring seat, the contact spring, the contact ring and finally to the metal plate on the back of the steering wheel that has the three contact points...and that is where the circuit is broken...until you push your horn ring.

When you do, one of the three brass pins (depending which side of the ring you push) is pushed down, making contact with the corresponding contact point, thus completing the circuit through the steering wheel, down the steering column and across the jumper on the steering box which is grounded to the chassis.

Now, because the horn is grounded to the chassis as well, and it has a hot wire attached to it.......................BEEP!

As you can see, in order for the electrical circuit for the horn to be completed, the current flow really has to run the gauntlet, and all it takes is one little something that's boogered up to make the system fail.

What's most important is all the little things intended to insulate "this from that" and the other thing.

ALL the plastic washers, the white plastic piece under the metal plate on the back of the wheel, the black insulating sleeve on the column etc, etc.

Pretty much everything in this setup is specific to 60-61 accept maybe the horn its self, however, for other years the principle is the same, just configured a little differently.

It all may seem a bit daunting if your unfamiliar with how it all works, but rest assured, it's not that bad.

Good luck.
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david58 AKA RSA204 :wink: wrote:Thank you for taking the time to make such a great post. This is one of the best if not the best "How To" threads I have ever seen.
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Post by Speedy Jim »

What a well thought out presentation!

Seriously, you put a lot of effort into this and you have my applause.
Please stick around as a valuable contributor.

(More electrical on my web site)
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Great Info and more importantly, as Jim and Dave have stated, wonderful presentation :D
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Dave, I think this post should definitely be a sticky or some kind of hall of fame. :D
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slowtwitch wrote:Dave, I think this post should definitely be a sticky or some kind of hall of fame. :D
It already has you can thank doc for making it a sticky in the electrical forum. :lol: It is also in the sticky in the newbie forum. :wink:
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Re: 1960-61 Beetle horn assembly hell made simple

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Quote by Marc added for info on 62-67 model horns.
Marc wrote:Actually `62-`67 is a bit different than `60/`61. At http://thebugshop.org/bsfqhorn.htm there's a breakdown explaining all of the variations in horn wiring found over the years.

"Now in '62, they figured out that the earlier design was needlessly complicated and that by allowing a conductive bearing (ie. one not isolated using plastic on either side of it) to be used between the tube and shaft the upper column design could be greatly simplified. "Ungrounding" the shaft was easy as it was connected to the grounded steering box via a rubber disk and the previously used copper braid strip could just be eliminated. So in this design, the whole column, bearing and shaft became energized as a unit, and a ground path was realized by running a wire down the hollow shaft, jumping over the rubber coupler and connecting it to the grounded steering box's input shaft.
So in the '62 - '67 and later cars, if the steering column tube or the steering shaft (and wheel hub and nut) is grounded, the horn will sound. Now you know why that fat rubber grommet is needed where the tube passes through the firewall, and why you need that grommet at the upper end where the bracket holds it up under the dash.

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Switch "hot side" commutator is: Upper bearing
Switch "ground side" commutator is: Steering box
Column tube voltage state: Hot
Steering shaft voltage state: Hot

Of course this meant too, that the whole steering wheel would be "hot" too, and like in the '60-'61 design, care must be taken to electrically isolate the whole tube from the body using rubber grommets and pads."


If you're using the `66/`67 t'signal switch assembly there's one other possible short, at the hi/lo switch on the end of the stalk.
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