Found 2.1 liter case for $40 biggest type 1 cam on stock wbx

[3literboy]

I just found ( 4) 2.1 liter cores for $160 bucks. I still have the DPR 90mm WBX stroker, so its build another monster motor. All i want to do this time is run stock 2.1 liter bearings , scat type 4 lifters, a nice cam, and 4inch pistons with stock WBX heads. This will be a turbo motor with all the head cc in the deck (.250) Whats the biggest cam that I can put on type 4 lifters without a problem? The WBX heads ahve the same bolt pattern as type one intakes, so it will cost much less to buy off the shelf turbo kits etc.

One fellow stated he ran an engle 120 on type 4 lifters without a problem. This suggests that an FK7 with 1.4 rockers would work extremely well.

Of course the other scenario is bare undrilled Comp Eliminators.

Who sells the best and cheapest set of 4 inch P and Ls

Who sells the best and cheapest 5.7 to 6 inch Hbeam rods

who sells the best and cheapest head studs

[Piledriver]

I would ask Webcam or whoever you go with.

A T4 profile may work for you, the 119 is the "std" T4 turbo cam, [email protected], .500" w/1.3 rockers, used to be 112LC, IIRC std is now 108.

For a bit more fun, a 163 is 250 degrees and can be had in a 114LC if you wish.

John at aircooled.net is a good source, make sure to go with his "reground" coated lifters (SLR properly regrinds and parkerizes new lifters, worth it)

You are talking aircooled right? WBX heads w/stock length valves run into coil bind <=.500" unless you do some work...

See "marcostheturbosteamengine" or IIRC Chip Burks car (Marcos old engine) for a nice water cooled 2.1L setup making stupid power with a 2.1L.

(using T1 lifters, IIRC the DIY bushings only run ~$100 from Rocky)

[3literboy]

I have a brand new set of scat lifters for type 4. There is no reason to have them reground. As far as coil bind, I am not looking for more than 550 lift. I can sink the valves .020 , top down the valve guide, and remachine the spring base .040.

I am looking at what CB has to offer in the way of type 4 cams etc. I do not think for lobe sizes of .375 and lower there is a problem running type 4 lifters. The super lift cams with .435 lobes is a different story. Arent the type 4 lifters 26mm?

One fella stated he ran a 120, therefore a ratio type 1 cam should work with zero problems.

[Piledriver]

I have a brand new set of scat lifters for type 4. There is no reason to have them reground.

There is a very good reason John and Jake do this, and only run Webs nitrided and coated cams.
You have been warned.
SLR will do the lifters you have IIRC for ~$50, but that price was a few years ago.

I would do it even for a stocker.

With the cost of main bearings, an all T4 main crank is almost cost effective... So you can use the BMW or Dodge main bearings.

The T4 lifters are .945", (24mm) and I would not bet on a W120 working unless I saw it with my own eyes.
I'm personally highly dubious. but I have slept since that thread w/pictures that covered the subject.

EDIT--- I did a search and the W120 apparently will work, my bad

OTOH, consider (depending on what you want from the engine) the turbo version of an 86B.
(112LC) not sure if the T4 profile differs from the T1 profile due to the lifter difference, check with Web or aircooled.net, who is likely to stock such a beast and if not can order it for you.

[Stripped66]

The WBX heads ahve the same bolt pattern as type one intakes, so it will cost much less to buy off the shelf turbo kits etc.

The WBX heads have a different exhaust pattern than type 1. Nothing you can't fix with a cut-off wheel and a welder, but a Type 1 header isn't simply going to bolt right up.

[3literboy]

How is it that a set of reground Johnson lifters has very very good compatability with a CB cam even with k800s and now we are required to spend $50 bucks to resurface new Scat lifters? I have never heard this before> Is this some new conspiracy? I am not putting K800 springs on a Engle 120. I am not reving the motor to 8500rpms. I am just installing a small cam, for the love of pete. Since an Engle 120 will work, this suggest that anything with a slower ramp and less lift will work just dandy.

Who sells head studs for the case without putting in different cases savers

[Stripped66]

How is it that a set of reground Johnson lifters has very very good compatability with a CB cam even with k800s

Because the regrinding process machined the correct radius into the face of the lifter.

and now we are required to spend $50 bucks to resurface new Scat lifters?

I wouldn't trust the Scat lifters to have been ground properly.

I have never heard this before> Is this some new conspiracy?

No, this is the reality of off-shore parts, made from alloys that are not necessarily compatible with other cams. IIRC, the Rockwell hardness of Scat lifters is around 4 points higher than the hardness of CB's lifters. I wouldn't run the Scat lifters on a CB cam for that reason alone; I wouldn't run the Scat lifters on anything other than a Scat SC1 cam blank.

Conspiracy? Every flat-tappet application, Chevy, Dodge or Ford, has been bit by lifter and cam incompatibility. Many fault this problem to the lower levels of zinc (ZDDP) in oils (although some claim ZDDP is absent altogether, this is not the case); however, the problem -industry wide- seems more attributable to the variable quality and inconsistency of off-shore parts.

[Tom Notch]

what he said^^^^^^^.
Nothing new about lifters and cams going south with plain old VW sized dual springs. I think its been around 15+ years that this has been going on.

[Piledriver]

^^^^^What they said

[WickedWagens]

^^^^^What they said

x2 ^^^^^ I wouldn't use any new lifters that hadn't been treated by SLR these days. It's just cheap insurance.

[3literboy]

For my type one applications , I use the box of Johnson lifters I bought from Eric at ERCO on Steve Tims advise. . They are oldschool scat lifters or Johnson lifters. Delta camshaft does my lifter reface for $1.50 a piece. The type 4 lifters I have are 10 year old USA made Scat lifters part numbers 20091. All i need to do with them is match them to either a cB billet or Scat billet and dual springs with a low spring rate. Anyways, I just go a used 2.1 liter short block for $40 bucks. I think I will send it to rimco after I cut the jackets off. I really want to build another bottom end with the 90mm DPR crank I have. Then I will use a set of CB comp eliminators with 4inch bore and turbo it....

My 2276 dunebuggy motor runs the cheapest Brazilian lifters i could find and a century distributors engle 110 regrind on a stock billet ($20.00) The cam is as black and parkerized as it gets. He sells an engle 120 also. So a cam and lifter set for $36 bucks that has last thru 4 seasons without an issue.

I run single rev springs. valve adjusts last all summer. I would have used oval hole german lifters, but didnt have any, plus I couldnt finf my box of 40 used Johnson lifters. I never use Brazilian lifters , but I got lazy.

As far as oil, I use Valvoline synthetic offroad with 1500ppm ZDDP and a can of BG moa or Brad Penn 30 wt breakin oil.

All is well with the CB billet and 450 pounds on the nose....................

The only time i ever had a problem with scat lifters was when i ran 40 wt breakin, rapped it up and broke the oil pump drive from tooo much pressure. The fella who was supposed to watch the oil pressure didnt notice the zero.

I dont run the motor for 25 minutes at 2500 rpm for cam breakin . I run the motor 3 sets of 5 minutes at 2500rpm and thats it.

With Brad Penn, a CB cam and scat lifters, I have never ever had a problem.................Ever.

I ran an engle fk89 and CB Fk89 on Johnson lifters and they looked the same after one season, so did the lifters.......

I use the old lifters over and over and over. I wont buy new lifters................ I just keep regrinding the old ones until they are to thin to run or they do not fit the lifter bore well, then they go in a sand rail motor with a tiny torque cam............ Big deal!!!!!

I still have 32 more old school lifters with a new delta camshaft resurface to use, thats 3 motors worth. It will last me a long long time.....thee thee thee theeeee

Of course the Rimco lifter bores are tight and very very nice.............


Anyways, I just scored on 3 vanagon 091 cores for $75. He did not take them apart so there is a good chance the ring and pinions are good and it was only the bearing next to the 4th gear making noise.. Plus I have 2 good vanagon flywheels, a set of vanagon rockers, and a pristine 2.1 liter core with 3 more I can buy for $40 a pop.

I have seen guys run comp eliminators on the Oregon coast at 10 to 1 C/R with no overheating problems on the dunes. I am thinking 90mm by either 101.6mm or 103.mm and 44 by 40 Comp eliminators set at 9 to 1 with 44IDFs, doghouse cooler, dry sump, and warrior cooler. Then add a close ratio to only 3rd gear on a vanagon trans and adapt a shift rod to it. I should just turbo a 2929cc at 7 to 1 compression......