twodollardoug wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 5:30 pm
Kind of yes. I do have birals and 914 heads. And dry sump, with my own oiling system.
Are drysumps more readily avilible/better than what are availible for T1s? Honestly I doubt im going something that extreme for a long while, but just kinda currious
sideshow wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 10:22 pm
So you have a reasonable goal, your number can be meet with a t-1 and the parasitic loss of AC.
can they really? I honestly have been getting massive amounts of mixed info over on the samba about the cooling capabilities of a T1 over on thesamba. You try and ask this question there and 30% of the the comments are just "why do you need to go fast, just drive 60 and dont worry about it. Epecialy dont do AC since that isnt stock on your year" and the other 2/3 disagree on if a T1 can cool enough to use AC in those kinds of heats, much the less if it can cool its self if geared down a bit to 80mph isnt 4100 RPM (since everyone seems to agree that cruising day in day out at 4k+ isnt great for engine life). Reason I came here is because I 2 (maybe 3) people brought up I could do it with a T4 but no one else realy responded to the idea over there.
sideshow wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 10:22 pmTo address the t-4 conversion it is true that it is roughly four times the initial cost of like t-1. This is largely core dependent and I refuse to guess at what you have. Are you buying everything out right or do you posses a turn key known pancake cooled one all ready? The used parts market is really random on quality so its not quite just buy a shroud and install.
There is a guy in my area selling a 914 1.8 with no intakes (but everything else) that he says was running and just pulled for a 2.0 conversion. Unfortunately he isnt getting back to me, but im not in a rush on this one in general now that I have a game plan. My thought has kind of been to get a running T4 a DTM conversion kit, and probably a vintage speed exhaust to start. and hold off on the rebuild for a bit to see just how much more power I want over that level. From what I have seen, you need to wait for one to come on the market, but that should be around 5-6k USD, with 6-10k for the rebuild when I decide to do it (and another 5k for the trans at the same time). Good news is I have dual 40 IDFs already so i should just need a linkage and some new risers when i do get the pancake on that side.
That being said the fastest kit would be a DTM stage (what ever includes beetle tin), plus fuel supply and header/muffler bits would be loads easier than any BMS/throttle/road speed/brake sensor wiring.
Actually, something real nice about the tesla setup is that the normal input sensors all use a very standardized CAN interface. The pedals, speed sensor, shifter, etc all are basically just "plug it in and calibrate limits". Its realy just the BMS that is the issue since the stock BMS wants a much of connectivity that just isnt realistic to put into a classic car so you need a new one that is essentially a stand alone ECU you now have to make work. Good news is, I have had to do exactly that for work a few times now, but it is a
massive bitch every single time.
sideshow wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 10:22 pmBut again maybe not that bad considering much of the same money is very similar. There is more crap in the t-1 aftermarket so some cost is justified by t-4.
What can you do?
Yah. Electric swaps are quite expensive in general. Even with the probably 70% off I could have gotten on teh drive train and batteries I still would have been easily north of 15k just for parts and probably 18-19k all said and done including all the fabrication materials I would have needed.
As for parts availability, that is realy my main concern with a T-4. There are no reman blocks, and all the nice parts seem to be from Germany with much higher costs compared to similar T1 items since they just dont expect to sell as many. Seems to me like a T4s basically are a 5-6k long block or a 15k+ one where as with T1s you get everything in between as well.
If I am being completely honest, I would love it if I could just use a CB kit and not have to worry about matching parts myself (this build is the first time I will be inside an engine at all), but im not confidant any of their kits will really do what I want and I never really trust salesmen to be truthful about what their poop is capable of, so custom build is kinda what I have to do (and if im going custom anyways, may as well go T4)